313 Railtour?

[trainmania100]

May I ask how you got this information please?

I have also heard 213 from a source at lovers walk, so I guess that's two strikes on 313201/213 until confirmed on the day lol

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I have also heard 213 from a source at lovers walk, so I guess that's two strikes on 313201/213 until confirmed on the day lol

Cheers

 

[Deepgreen]

I'm in coach C I think that's the motor coach

There are four motor coaches in a six-car rake.

Amused to see that RTT has it as "planned for 100mph max"...

 

[prod_pep]

My hotel was a bit dear, but it is what it is!

Brighton's hotels are often extortionate in my experience, hence my staying in Eastbourne where the hotels are much more reasonable. Nicer place than Brighton too, which is a bonus.

Coaches A-C will be 313201 with a bit of luck; if I'm on 213, I'll be moving.

 

[Kite159]

Brighton's hotels are often extortionate in my experience, hence my staying in Eastbourne where the hotels are much more reasonable. Nicer place than Brighton too, which is a bonus.

Coaches A-C will be 313201 with a bit of luck; if I'm on 213, I'll be moving.

Join the club at staying in Eastbourne, at least on the Friday night.
Brighton is one of those places which is expensive at the best of times. I think when I looked the cheapest was a large 12/16bed hostel room for something like £60, a guaranteed way not to get a decent night sleep.

 

[DelW]

Amused to see that RTT has it as "planned for 100mph max"...

For sure it won't be exceeding that

 

[Deepgreen]

For sure it won't be exceeding that

Indeed - it'll be interesting to see what it can achieve on the long sections. I recall being on the returning 12EPB Brighton bike ride specials and getting to 81mph on one run - not normally achieved in suburban conditions!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I doubt it would achieve much on the West Coastway given that it'll get stuck behind one of the Brighton - Pompey/Southampton stoppers and Victoria - Littlehampton semis.... Plus the plethora of level crossings....

 

[Herefordian]

Brighton's hotels are often extortionate in my experience, hence my staying in Eastbourne where the hotels are much more reasonable. Nicer place than Brighton too, which is a bonus.

Coaches A-C will be 313201 with a bit of luck; if I'm on 213, I'll be moving.

They can be, for sure. I really like the LGBT scene though.

I paid £220 for three nights in a guest house a couple of minutes from the beach.

Didn't think that was too bad by Brighton standards. Still, not cheap!

 

[Deepgreen]

I doubt it would achieve much on the West Coastway given that it'll get stuck behind one of the Brighton - Pompey/Southampton stoppers and Victoria - Littlehampton semis.... Plus the plethora of level crossings....

Yes, I was thinking of the BML up to Three Bridges and back.

 

[trainmania100]

Yes, I was thinking of the BML up to Three Bridges and back.

Certainly speeds past on the ECS to selhurst, guess it needs to keep up with the fast Victorias. But they are limited to 75

 

[Deepgreen]

Certainly speeds past on the ECS to selhurst, guess it needs to keep up with the fast Victorias. But they are limited to 75

Are they physically limited to 75mph or could they exceed that, say, downhill? In other words, do the brakes apply at 76mph? Balancing speeds can be breached in the right conditions - as per my note about the 12EPBs running back from Brighton - their balancing speed was 75mph too, but slightly over 80 was not unusual on those runs. It's not important, I'm just curious (and amused by the optimism of RTT's 100mph max!).

 

[43096]

Are they physically limited to 75mph or could they exceed that, say, downhill? In other words, do the brakes apply at 76mph? Balancing speeds can be breached in the right conditions - as per my note about the 12EPBs running back from Brighton - their balancing speed was 75mph too, but slightly over 80 was not unusual on those runs. It's not important, I'm just curious (and amused by the optimism of RTT's 100mph max!).

EPBs didn't have data recorders with random downloads. And on a railtour where there will be plenty monitoring speeds with apps on their phones, a driver isn't going to want to go over.

 

[Deepgreen]

EPBs didn't have data recorders with random downloads. And on a railtour where there will be plenty monitoring speeds with apps on their phones, a driver isn't going to want to go over.

Interesting - I am aware that over-speeding in relation to the speed limit on the section of line concerned is monitored, but is an individual traction type's supposed maximum speed monitored (as long as it is within the speed limit)? Steam in the UK has a maximum of 75mph, with a little leeway which often sees it at 77/78mph, but I hadn't realised that 'modern' traction was monitored as long as no line overspeeding occurred. So, in this case, if the 313s hit, say, 78 in a 90 zone, would that be considered a problem?

 

[43096]

Interesting - I am aware that over-speeding in relation to the speed limit on the section of line concerned is monitored, but is an individual traction type's supposed maximum speed monitored (as long as it is within the speed limit)? Steam in the UK has a maximum of 75mph, with a little leeway which often sees it at 77/78mph, but I hadn't realised that 'modern' traction was monitored as long as no line overspeeding occurred. So, in this case, if the 313s hit, say, 78 in a 90 zone, would that be considered a problem?

In simplistic terms the monitoring is on the basis of the lower of line speed and traction maximum speed. What the response is would depend on how the driver reacted to the overspeed, how often it happened etc.

 

[Fincra5]

Are they physically limited to 75mph or could they exceed that, say, downhill? In other words, do the brakes apply at 76mph? Balancing speeds can be breached in the right conditions - as per my note about the 12EPBs running back from Brighton - their balancing speed was 75mph too, but slightly over 80 was not unusual on those runs. It's not important, I'm just curious (and amused by the optimism of RTT's 100mph max!).

They've reached over that before...

 

[37166]

313201 leading 313213 out of Brighton.

 

[that1pepfan]

Interestingly it didn't go via lovers walk carrage road it Went on the mainline

 

[Evvy73]

I managed to catch a short clip of it heading northwards through Wivelsfield earlier today. The driver was clearly enjoying playing with the horn!

 

[trainmania100]

Nice shot. Bit of a battle of the tones at Lewes earlier, front and back cab horns.

 

[Deepgreen]

I managed to catch a short clip of it heading northwards through Wivelsfield earlier today. The driver was clearly enjoying playing with the horn!

Nice to see good weather for this. I nearly went to Balcombe Viaduct for it but didn't bother in the end. What are the rules about horns sounded from rear cabs (if any?).

 

[Train Maniac]

Absolute madness at Hastings earlier, the driver was really going for it on the horn Haha!

 

[Deepgreen]

Absolute madness at Hastings earlier, the driver was really going for it on the horn Haha!
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A bit of a time-slip scene - 1970s stock with semaphores and a signalbox with a (faux) Southern Region green name board.

 

[Bishopstone]

Plenty of horn action at Newhaven Marine, also.

 

[prod_pep]

Well, what a fantastic day out that was. I really cannot thank all involved enough for making it a memorable day. Superb route and excellent service throughout.

Some mutterings on the tour that this was 313201's last act as it is out of miles. A shame if true as it deserved the honour of last passenger service. If the NRM don't go for this unit, I really, really hope someone else does. An historic unit in so many ways and it rode brilliantly today. Who cares if it doesn't have a pantograph?

 

[Intercity110]

A bit of a time-slip scene - 1970s stock with semaphores and a signalbox with a (faux) Southern Region green name board.

Albeit with smartphones, modern health and safety signage, and a TOC liveried unit.

 

[4SubAsociation]

Was on the railtour myself. Was a good railtour overall. Was able to get off earlier which turned out to be a blessing in disguise as i headed back on the Marshlink service departing eastbourne at 17:49, however the train suffered a technical fault midway towards Rye and all passengers where asked to depart at Rye. No onward transport and a 1hr delay to catch the next train. If i had stayed on the tour i should of got the 20:49 which should of been the same train meaning i would not got home until 23:10. Delay repay request has been put in.

 

[Deepgreen]

Albeit with smartphones, modern health and safety signage, and a TOC liveried unit.

Indeed - only a bit of a time-slip!

Well, what a fantastic day out that was. I really cannot thank all involved enough for making it a memorable day. Superb route and excellent service throughout.

Some mutterings on the tour that this was 313201's last act as it is out of miles. A shame if true as it deserved the honour of last passenger service. If the NRM don't go for this unit, I really, really hope someone else does. An historic unit in so many ways and it rode brilliantly today. Who cares if it doesn't have a pantograph?

I agree it should be saved but the collective opinion seems to be that it will go for scrap. NRM are not interested and there isn't known to be a private buyer in the wings. RTT may have it as an STP working under tow (the last lot were taken by a 37) to scrap up the BML soon - who knows? I imagine they won't want them cluttering up Lovers Walk for any longer than necessary.

 

[Babybirdrobin]

Well, they could do Dalston - Highbury & Islington and Richmond - Acton Central.......

How is the line through Primrose Hill from the Watford DC services to the NLL electrified now - used to be 3rd rail, is it now OHL ?

According to Train Sim Classic, the line through Primrose Hill still has Third Rail but has had OHLE added

 

[Class15]

According to Train Sim Classic, the line through Primrose Hill still has Third Rail but has had OHLE added

The whole Primrose Hill line is wired - how could FL electrics use it if it wasn’t?

Third rail runs from Primrose Hill to Camden Jn. on the DC lines only.