I remember that article, I think it was a 37 on its side and 4 class 47s connected to a kind of heavy duty pulley system. After all these years I can still remember the name of the equipment, they called it Kelbus gear and it sounds like it was purpose made for just this sort of thingIt’s a fairly standard methodology to rerail something that that has come off in this type of incident.
I remember seeing a pic in a Modern Railways from the 70s of rerailing a loco that had gone down a bank somewhere (no idea where) on a 4 track section. It was towed back up, and onto the rails, by a lash up of 37s (I think) positioned on all 4 lines.
Just a thought (no idea if this would be feesible) but could they use the 37 as the ad-hoc translator vehicle? Couple it to the 507 and get a more powerful loco to couple to the other end of the 37 and drag the lot out?37800 is fitted with a coupler allowing it to couple directly to the 507. Very few other locos have these and would need a translator vehicle.
It’s a fairly standard methodology to rerail something that that has come off in this type of incident.
I remember seeing a pic in a Modern Railways from the 70s of rerailing a loco that had gone down a bank somewhere (no idea where) on a 4 track section. It was towed back up, and onto the rails, by a lash up of 37s (I think) positioned on all 4 lines.
I remember that article, I think it was a 37 on its side and 4 class 47s connected to a kind of heavy duty pulley system. After all these years I can still remember the name of the equipment, they called it Kelbus gear and it sounds like it was purpose made for just this sort of thing
There's a few images on https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.770438752983015.1073741906.161421647218065&type=3I think it may have cropped up on the forum in the recent past. Were some of the "assisting" locos used as "ballast weight" to stop the loco sliding any further in the wrong direction?
After describing the recovery of 70026 following the Milton derailment in 1955 (see yesterday's post on this page), we had a look in the archive and discovered that the Kelbus block and tackle was used in another tricky recovery of a locomotive, exactly 22 years after the Milton accident.
There are photos on a website (search on:- "Quiet Womans Row " - but the site is a pig to navigate) of "Falcon" on the line to Newport Dock St. etc in 1973.
Occasionally "Falcon" got to Ebbw Vale, the attached is probably its claim to fame in the area, when in 1973 a Cl.37 ran away at Marine Colliery, Cwm, Ebbw Vale.
The errant 37 was left teetering over the river bank for months whilst the authorities figured out a way to recover it - which they did by laying a wooden roadway, then using 'Kelbus' gear ( powerful block tackle gear) they hauled the 37 up the embankment using a pair of 47s and "Falcon". The loco was then re-righted and re-railed.
Thanks for that - I have definitely seen those before. Very interesting sounding operation!
Brilliant article, thank you.
Years ago I arranged a skate move Preston to Crewe, so Kirkby to Kirkdale is barely a cock's stride.Didn't they just skate a Pendolino from Lockerbie to Glasgow. If they can do that, Kirkby to Kirkdale seems well within scope
Correct.skates aways used to be walking pace over any points and crossovers but 15 or 20 on plain track ??
It's currently being held at Rice LaneIt looks fully re-railed now!
No news on moving it to Kirkdale though that I’ve heard?
Just been routed onto Kirkdale DepotIt's currently being held at Rice Lane
179S code on Traksy?It's currently being held at Rice Lane
Just been routed onto Kirkdale Depot
It was 1Z99 on Railcam.179S code on Traksy?
If I remember the article correctly, was a class 31 down an embankment on the GWML near Reading. Needed six class 47's, some in place to provide weight to avoid distorting the track, and a fair amount of winching gear.It’s a fairly standard methodology to rerail something that that has come off in this type of incident.
I remember seeing a pic in a Modern Railways from the 70s of rerailing a loco that had gone down a bank somewhere (no idea where) on a 4 track section. It was towed back up, and onto the rails, by a lash up of 37s (I think) positioned on all 4 lines.
Surprised that they delayed and turned short passenger services to do this move rather than wait til later. I suppose the costs of having the loco, staff etc sitting there for hours was less than any delay-repay from the passengers who may have bothered to claim.It's currently being held at Rice Lane
Just been routed onto Kirkdale Depot
And probably heading to Booths in Rotherham or wherever for scrapI assume neither 507 will work again...
I assume neither 507 will work again...
Surprised that they delayed and turned short passenger services to do this move rather than wait til later. I suppose the costs of having the loco, staff etc sitting there for hours was less than any delay-repay from the passengers who may have bothered to claim.
From the video, because of the way 006 took the impact and didn't stop dead (probably fortuitiously), I am not sure whether the deceleration on the rear will have been vastly different from an emergency stop. Naturally just pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if 021 made a reappearance to be honestI wouldn’t be so sure on 021. It’s gone to Birkenhead North for assessment, but it didn’t derail at any point and worked back to Kirkdale at least on its own.
I wouldn’t be so sure on 021. It’s gone to Birkenhead North for assessment, but it didn’t derail at any point and worked back to Kirkdale at least on its own.
Apparently the loco was needed elsewhere. Not sure how true that is.
Yes. I posted the details upthread in what's post #35 now.If I remember the article correctly, was a class 31 down an embankment on the GWML near Reading. Needed six class 47's, some in place to provide weight to avoid distorting the track, and a fair amount of winching gear.
There was also a class 37 on its side in South Wales that need dragging up a temporary sleeper ramp.
All 'old school' railway.
Surprised that they delayed and turned short passenger services to do this move rather than wait til later. I suppose the costs of having the loco, staff etc sitting there for hours was less than any delay-repay from the passengers who may have bothered to claim.
They appear to be on Twitter. According to the comments on there, it may not have been skated.A few pics from the move today which a mate just sent through on WhatsApp. Not sure where he got the pics from though.View attachment 92683View attachment 92684View attachment 92685
I think the pictures come from this twitter post https://twitter.com/signalmandave61/status/1372600756814155780They appear to be on Twitter. According to the comments on there, it may not have been skated.
Something was happening up at Kirkby last night. There was a "freight", timed as an EMU 75 mph arriving at 2119 from New Brighton, plus some interesting services to and from Wigan Wallgate Diesel TC with the same timings.