MarlowDonkey
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Usually they only look like real numbers. If you dial back, you get the number not recognised message.but given that most of the presentation numbers used by the fraudsters are real numbers,
Usually they only look like real numbers. If you dial back, you get the number not recognised message.but given that most of the presentation numbers used by the fraudsters are real numbers,
Usually they only look like real numbers. If you dial back, you get the number not recognised message.
Confirming what Marlow Donkey has said above..I've got no-one with a similar phone number to me that I know, so given they seem to use these this is unlikely to happen to me, but given that most of the presentation numbers used by the fraudsters are real numbers, surely at some point they must get a number that is actually in the recipient's phone as it is a contact's number? I know if it says a friend has called you and the voice you get is robotic or some random person in India (even if you know quite a few people with similar accents who might be phoning you, you should be able to tell the difference) it is unlikely you'll think it is them, but I was just wondering if the presentation number matched, presumably it would still show up as the contact?
Yes, it would.but I was just wondering if the presentation number matched, presumably it would still show up as the contact?
Indonesia?Whilst I cannot prove it but my guess is they all actually originate from the same country in Asia beginning with the letter I.... and ending in a.
ones got too many letters in that name...Yes, it would.
Indonesia?
All the correct letters and in the correct order thoughones got too many letters in that name...
(Yes, I hate the fact that I've deliberately missed out the apostrophe which should be there!)
Not that I'm planning on doing this, but surely if there are only the last few digits different this can't be the case, as the band for for all numbers in an 07XXX would be the same (all mobile or all not actually)?Be careful about dialing back. Some calls come from "non-standard" 07 numbers so if they connect the call won't be included in your inclusive minutes or charged as a normal call to a mobile.
No! Not all 07xxx numbers are mobiles. Some are personal numbering and attract a higher rate and aren't normally covered by inclusive minutes in mobile service plans.Not that I'm planning on doing this, but surely if there are only the last few digits different this can't be the case, as the band for for all numbers in an 07XXX would be the same (all mobile or all not actually)?
Not that I'm planning on doing this, but surely if there are only the last few digits different this can't be the case, as the band for for all numbers in an 07XXX would be the same (all mobile or all not actually)?
On a point of pedantry, if by "non-standard 07 number" you mean the distinction between mobile numbering vs other purposes, then it's Ofcom that defines what numbers ranges are allocated to. You can find the top-level breakdown on page 10 of this document: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/102613/national-numbering-plan.pdf...and the definition of a "non-standard 07" number varies between operators.
There's currently no easy way to confirm that a number arriving into the UK PSTN network is from an originator who has the right to use it. A new certificate verification system is in place in the USA and Ofcom are looking, very slowly, into a similar system here, probably not to be implemented until the PSTN network is discontinued after 2025 - which is an opportunity for a redesign of this aspect of the telephone system.The thing is, there's almost no way to stop spoofing. It would require a complete redesign of the telephone system.
Yup: I got a scam call purporting to come from my neighbour's number a few days ago, which happens to be an anagram of my number. The recent trend to base the spoofed caller ID on a number close to the number dialled makes them both more likely to be active phone numbers and more likely (thouh still unlikely) to be someone you know in your local area, particularly on smaller exchanges where the first two or three digits are the same for all subscribers' numbers....given that most of the presentation numbers used by the fraudsters are real numbers, surely at some point they must get a number that is actually in the recipient's phone as it is a contact's number? ...
Suppose the issue is partly to do with call blocking. Difficult to do successfully if the fraudsters keep changing / spoofing the number they are supposedly calling from.I don't understand the issue with spoofed numbers. I get plenty of scam calls but I have never taken any interest in the number they are calling from. It is pretty obvious they are scams.
That's exactly the education that I spoke of above:I don't understand the issue with spoofed numbers. I get plenty of scam calls but I have never taken any interest in the number they are calling from. It is pretty obvious they are scams. But even if I believed it was a genuine warning that my ISP was cutting me off, or my bank account was comprimised, then I would phone those entities myself using their advertised number in a separate call, and not take any action within the first call. It is basic security to dial your bank/ISP etc yourself, using their advertised number, for any sensitive business.
Indeed, they will. Which is why telcos and regulators need to make people more aware that the presentation number is not a guarantee of identity.
Predictive text auto correct at work there?Irritating shirts.
I guess the order just took a loooong time to be processed!Good news. The expensive iPhone 7 that I don't ever remember ordering is apparently now on its way from Amazon. Can hardly wait!
So long ago that I've obviously forgotten having placed the order! Must have been late 2016 (!)I guess the order just took a loooong time to be processed!
I get messages like that about once a week, either about sports gear or "my" massive bank overdraft. But they seem intended for a guy who owned this mob phone number previously. I did text the senders about this a few times, but have given up trying. The upside is that I can assume any call or text is either a scam, or is about his sports gear orders or overdraft.The expensive iPhone 7 that I don't ever remember ordering is apparently now on its way from Amazon.
One of my neighbours also had this scam call, from a mobile phone. He still has his marbles all at home at the age of 84 and is well aware of scam calls and said that as the DWP still have not sent out their usual letter in March concerning the 2021/2022 state pension, he most certainly was not going to enter into any discussions on matters until Government departments get their act in order.Had the national insurance scam call today, it started with 'This is an emergency call about your national insurance' or something.
Spoofed with UK mobile number, same as my mobile number but last 2 digits different.
The letters are going out. From what I have seen, they are probably being sent in surname alphabetical order.One of my neighbours also had this scam call, from a mobile phone. He still has his marbles all at home at the age of 84 and is well aware of scam calls and said that as the DWP still have not sent out their usual letter in March concerning the 2021/2022 state pension, he most certainly was not going to enter into any discussions on matters until Government departments get their act in order.
I've never had my mobile phone (it's a Motorola one, so Android) flag anything as a potential scam, even if it obviously is... however I believe all of the scam calls I've had have been pretending to be from organisations that I haven't even given that particular number to.I've had no suspect calls in April and we're 8.5 days in. Can I go a whole month without receiving "Suspected Spam"/"Potential Fraud?" (Bearing in mind there are only 20 working days this month: similar to February most years!)