StephenHunter
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dk1
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Most certainly not. Happy days indeed.
Peter Mugridge
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I don't think so - I've seen several Stansted services recently which were full in every carriage, so they're barely coping with the reduced service level and really need to revert to the full timetable as soon as possible.
RailWonderer
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Several Stansted services have run as 720s recently. They are good cattle trucks for the Harlow and Stortford commuters. The suitcase hauling airport lot are an afterthought. There aren't enough serviceable 745s for 4tph.
dk1
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Me too. Many of those 12-cars running twice (occasionally thrice) hourly are extremely well loaded to/from Liverpool St so even worse after Tottenham Hale. Doesn’t seem to be much in the way of austerity.
Stansted Apt management keen to see service back to 4TPH
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Not sure if 745s could cope with 9 diagrams, 2x720 out today and few other days recently
Stansted boss calls for return of frequent trains from airport to London
London Stansted Airport's managing director Gareth Powell stated that the service needs to be increased to ensure passengers choose sustainable travel options, and to support the airport's ambitious growth plans
Not sure if 745s could cope with 9 diagrams, 2x720 out today and few other days recently
That's no excuse. With only five diagrams they should theoretically only have five days between visits. Of course, 745103 always jumps the queue, though it usually runs back ECS after failing. The 317s managed to start and end at Cambridge for days, sometimes weeks, on end without failing.
Peter Sarf
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All depened on how close to pre Covid levels the air travel at Stansted is ?.
Love it "to support sustainable travel options" - I presume the ground level travel to/from Stansted airport. We wont worry about the up in the air bit then !.Stansted Apt management keen to see service back to 4TPH
Stansted boss calls for return of frequent trains from airport to London
London Stansted Airport's managing director Gareth Powell stated that the service needs to be increased to ensure passengers choose sustainable travel options, and to support the airport's ambitious growth plans
Not sure if 745s could cope with 9 diagrams, 2x720 out today and few other days recently
On a practical note. I picked up from Modern Railways that 20 of the class 720s are (rumoured ?) to be surplus and hoping for a sub contract to another TOC. Makes sense to convert some of these surplus 720s to Stanstead Express units. That would then leave enough 745s for non-airport work. Obviously meaningless until all the 720s are accepted and the 755s are fully employed.
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Agreed. The peak trains are full of commuters to Harlow and Stortford. When a pair of 317s stood in for a 745 they were rammed on the 1654 and 1909 departures. Should be plenty of 720s to fill in now though. Has a 755 ever done a Stansted Express run?
dk1
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I don’t think so. Plenty have done Liverpool St to the Airport on testing runs & still do however.
I doubt they would be happy to bankroll the funding that would be needed to pay for it.
No. In summer 2022 Stansted did 90% of pre covid traffic:
Strong recovery continues
London Stansted's strong recovery from the pandemic continues with 2.5 million passengers travelling through the airport in July 2022, representing 90% of pre-Covid traffic.
It should have gone back to 4tph from this summer in an ideal world. I was there, it was heaving.
Stansted Express is planned to go back to 4 tph from May 2023.
They are not currently authorised in passenger service on the West Anglia south of Stansted Mountfitchet.
if, surely, not when.
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Class 170101
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Perhaps Stansted Airport should pay for it. However unless 9 diagrams each for IC and Stansted work then it seems unlikely that Class 755s will be leaving IC work anytime soon.Stansted Apt management keen to see service back to 4TPH
Stansted boss calls for return of frequent trains from airport to London
London Stansted Airport's managing director Gareth Powell stated that the service needs to be increased to ensure passengers choose sustainable travel options, and to support the airport's ambitious growth plans
Not sure if 745s could cope with 9 diagrams, 2x720 out today and few other days recently
Inclined to agree. Though perhaps they could get Ian Yeowart to get the 30 Class 379s back into service and use them on the opposing 15 minutes if the DfT / Treasury keep messing about.
There’s two issues about the Stansted express:
1) it is (by some distance) the most lucrative flow that GA operate ( on a ‘£revenue per £cost’ basis).
2) the capacity of the WAML corridor.
Re (1), with the capacity of the new trains, they can get almost all the revenue for a little over half the cost.
Re (2), reinstating the final two paths puts the WAML back up to 100% capacity in terms of paths, which will immediately cause a significant fall in punctuality. (Which in turn also suppresses wider demand).
RailWonderer
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Although I am a GE user I remember pre-Covid at Liverpool St the WA was horrific for delays because of the 2tph Cambridge, the 2tph Hertford East, the 4tph Stansteds, and the Stratford Bishops Stortford clogging up the two track line, it was too full. I agree it should not return, instead 10 car 720s should be used instead of 745s. If they use 745s they should stick them to the fast that does not call at Harlow or Tottenham Hale (or remove the Hale call) and run them non-stop to Stortford.
Anyway this is way off topic for the 755s. Is there any plan to put 755s on GE diagrams in future timetables or is it just one Norwich IC diagram? If they are testing 4 3 3 and 4 4 3 multiples they must have some plan. Just asking.
dk1
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No plans to use them on GE apart from the odd Harwich Town or Braintree.
Sleepy
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3 x 4 car operation is expected to start on the booked 1132 ex- Norwich & return this week.
It will be 10 car using 3 + 3 + 4 rather than 12 car.
From May 2023 there will be one 10 car (3+3+4) diagram and one 7 car (3+4) diagram running Norwich - Liverpool St all day.
Adrian1980uk
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Is this due to an increase in frequency or the need to move 745s to increase Stansted to 4tph
I believe its mostly because of Stansted going back to 4tph, plus re-introduction of Norwich in 90 services and a desire to reduce 745/1 use on IC services.
The 755s have tables I guess.
Agree the NiN vanity project is of questionable value.
dk1
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The 19:02 ex-Liverpool St has been ridiculously busy of late. Many guards have said how much the 19:00 would help. Be very welcome to have a morning fast train too. There's nothing at the moment.
That is true I guess.
Loadings do seem to have picked up a bit, almost back to pre pandemic at some times of day.
I was just never that convinced about the NiN in the first place, an extra train with the normal stopping pattern would have been more useful IMO.
Halish Railway
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Maybe once all the Dusty Bins have been replaced by Aventras, Greater Anglia will use the opportunity to re-write the timetable as facilitated by the improved performance of Aventras and FLIRTS over their predecessors to recast the GEML timetable to include a regular 3tph to Norwich. Super-fast Norwich in 90 runs may not be possible, although I’d say that more stops at Colchester and Stratford may be more desirable.