I think he meant this: One is killed, then the other commits suicide....![]()
Just spent about 3 and a half hours reading this entire thread. Really a great read! Thanks kernowfem for starting it off. Hopefully there's more to come![]()
Sounds like something from a horror movie!
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I'm going for a re-read now, some great tales on this thread, particularly those of Old Timer. Great stuff.
I'm going for a re-read now, some great tales on this thread, particularly those of Old Timer. Great stuff.
A great (fictional) story in this months edition of Railway magazine. Page 27, Points of no return. Gave me a shiver.
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Agreed! old timer was one of the threads best contributors!! Hope you enjoyed reading it back deltic.
A great (fictional) story in this months edition of Railway magazine. Page 27, Points of no return. Gave me a shiver.
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Yeah - just finished reading that one; hope that RM continue printing stories of that nature!
And I'm fully aware of the story about 47299/47216 and still don't see anything unusual about the photo.
How can you kill another person having just commited suicide?![]()
The Signal box in the picture is supposedly haunted. The Loco in the picture is the one that was supposedly a cursed loco (Physic telling BR it would be in a crash etc)
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Story from 'Railway Ghosts & Phantoms'. One of the enginemen committed suicide and 'allegedly' the other engineman saw him on the footplate and some how an accident was caused. Read the book my friend!![]()
Berob...another book you may be interested in. shadows in the steam. Certainly worth the read. Also try te ghost now standing on platform one.
Interesting story...thankyou for sharing it. I have heard that an old deltic 'nimbus' can still be seen on a certain part of the railway network even though it was scrapped in 1980. My grandfather was a midland man, and he used to tell me about the sightings of it. Apparently its appearences were reported 9 times, lets face it, a deltic would now stick out like a sore thumb, and unless a special, would be widely talked about...
This is quite possibly my favourite reported haunting of all time. It evokes an image of a Scotsman decked in black metal attire standing on the footplate, playing bagpipes that belch forth flames.Paranormal Database said:The Black Train
Location: Kyle of Lochalsh (Highland) - General area
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Unknown
Further Comments: Locals say that the construction of the railway upset the natural balance; now a black train which spits flames uses the track at night, disappearing into nearby hills.
This is quite possibly my favourite reported haunting of all time. It evokes an image of a Scotsman decked in black metal attire standing on the footplate, playing bagpipes that belch forth flames.
an image of a Scotsman decked in black metal attire standing on the footplate, playing bagpipes that belch forth flames.
When I was about 10, myself and my Grandma were walking along by the river in Bewdley (Severn Valley), we were walking on the town side of the river towards Arley near the Caravan park, we heard a train coming and sat down looking across the valley we could see the rails shining in the sun, HEARD the train come, go past and go away into the distance, but we didn't see a thing! We never did get to the bottom of what it was! Then a couple of years back I was sat in a messroom flicking through a magazine (think it was the Railway magazine) and there was an article about similar experiences people have had in the same area! strange..... My Gran even to this day gets spooked by it and she really isn't the type that gets spooked by things like that.
CHARFIELD’S GHOST RAILWAY CHILDREN. GLOUCESTERSHIRE,
At about 5.30am on October 13th, 1928. A Leeds to Bristol mail train crashed in Charfield.
Fifteen people were killed and 23 badly injured, two small bodies remained unidentified.
One body was a child (of about five), and the other of a child between twelve and seventeen. A granite cross was erected as a memorial to the victims. On it’s front ten names were inscribed followed by the poignant inscription “two unknown”.
From about 1929 a strange woman dressed in black visited the graves of the two unknown children. She continued her visits right into the 1950s, Joe Kloiber saw the woman:
“The poor lady is at rest now I suppose… All I can tell you is that she was frail, always dressed in black, and came to the grave two or three times a year. She always arrived in a chauffeur-driven limousine, the car was not black, but I cannot remember the colour. She would put flowers on the grave and prey there. “
Two lonely and lost ghostly railway children, walking hand in hand have been reported near the site of the crash.
More information about the crash below,
In the early hours of Saturday, October 13, 1928, the Leeds to Bristol night mail train crashed under the road bridge at Charfield station, South Gloucestershire.
Gas cylinders used to light the carriages blew up, and the fire was so savage that 12 who died were so badly decomposed that their relatives accepted the railway company's offer of a mass grave, which is still prominent in a corner of the village churchyard.
And it's on the memorial stone that the mystery lives on, for after listing 10 names and their places of origin, it ends with "Two Unknown". Despite a number of theories the true identity of the bodies is still unknown.
As the 80th anniversary of the tragedy draws near the Western Daily Press launches an appeal to anyone who might be able to finally uncover the mystery that has shrouded the crash for decades.
More than 50 passengers were sleeping on the night train as it headed for Charfield at about 5.30am on October 13, in thick fog.
According to sources, signalman Henry Button accepted the train from the Berkeley Junction and put the distant signal to danger.
That should have halted the express until a freight train had reversed into sidings.
But driver Henry Aldington and his fireman, Frank Want, both read the distant signal as clear instead of danger and ran headlong into horror.
The goods driver had almost cleared the line when he saw the mail train bearing down on him.
The express crashed into the goods tender and then ploughed off the line and hit another empty goods train head on.
One coach was thrown over the bridge which crossed the line but worse was to follow.
The engine of the express fell on its side among the splintered wagons and hot ashes sprayed from the firebox around the line. Gas, which fuelled lights in the coaches, escaped from supply pipes fractured in the impact.
As it came into contact with the hot ashes it turned the wrecked coaches into an inferno.
Amazingly, the driver and fireman survived and along with villagers awoken by the noise of the crash, and passengers who had scrambled clear, made frantic efforts to free those trapped by the fire.
Within 20 minutes the flames were leaping 40 feet high above the cutting and rescuers were driven back by the fierce heat.
Firemen from Bristol, Gloucester and Stroud fought the blaze for five hours before being able to bring it under control. But it was several hours after that before anyone could begin the grim task of sifting through the smouldering wreckage to recover bodies. In total 15 people were killed and 23 badly injured.
The victims who died were so badly mutilated that identification was almost impossible.
In most cases it was the recognition of a ring, a watch or a distinctive piece of clothing that put names to them.
According to some sources only some of the bodies could be properly identified with the other remains attributed to people known to be on the train. But two small bodies remained unidentified and unclaimed in spite of worldwide inquiries.
Down the years, folklore and legend has built about who they were. One theory aired in recent years is that two ventriloquist's dummies had been aboard, another that a jockey had been mistaken for a schoolboy.
Others said that children whose parents were in India had been put aboard unaccompanied by a slipshod governess, who had then disappeared through shame. But no ventriloquist, racing stable or anxious colonial parent ever made themselves known.
Every year villagers in Charfield lay flowers at a granite cross marking the site where the bodies were laid. But, in spite of the passing of the decades, nobody has ever been able to identify two of the victims of the carnage.
Yesterday Sue Bailey, the local parish clerk, explained that although memories of that fateful day live on, there was little hope of the mystery unravelling.
"I think the legacy of the crash is kept alive by local schools who often do projects on it," she said.
"We do get a lot of people phoning up about it and there has been a lot of media interest but there are not that many people who can remember it. It would be nice for the mystery to be solved but I think it is unlikely.
"If there was some new information you never know."
In an account of the crash Dick Goscombe said: "My father knew this old carpenter who actually put the dead into the coffins.
"They were in full-sized coffins but that were only to ease the feelings of relatives, there were that little left of some of them. And he always swore he hadn't seen the bodies of the children."
A porter on the train added to the theories and said he had seen two children on the train at Gloucester station.
He had moved through the train, checking tickets, and had found them travelling alone, the girl aged about nine, the boy between 11 and 12. The porter remembered that each had been wearing a school cap of some kind.
A police sergeant said part of a school blazer had been found after the crash, of a size to fit a boy or girl aged between eight and 10, Air Force blue in colour with black ribbon around the pockets. There was also a badge, a floral design on a red background, and a Latin motto Luce magistra, which translates as Light being the Test.
Links to Queen Ethelburger's boarding school, just 25 miles outside of Leeds, have since been drawn. The school carries the same motto and present day pupils wear a blue uniform but associations were never confirmed.
The mystery deepens after villagers remembered a lady in black arriving every anniversary between 1929 and the 1950s to stand silently by the grave.
Joe Kloiber, who saw the woman, said: "The poor lady is at rest now I suppose... All I can tell you is that she was frail, always dressed in black, and came to the grave two or three times a year. She always arrived in a chauffeur-driven limousine.
"She would put flowers on the grave and pray there."
There was also the chief constable of Bristol who disappeared mysteriously two years later and was found dead in 1931 in a London park, his throat cut. Word had it that he had recently met a solicitor to whom he had revealed the children's identity.
Since the crash there have been reports of sightings of the ghosts of Charfield's two lonely and lost railway children – often seen hand in hand near the crash site.
Images of the crash below.
I used to travel from Cheshire to Euston and back a lot a while back, on Virgin trains. If in 1st class (as I often was) 1'd frequently encounter spirits. Gin & Tonic was my favorite!
A few thoughts:
You cannot prove a negative, so it's up to the believers in the supernatural to prove that it exists, not for the rational to prove it doesn't.
There is not one drop of proof, anywhere in the world, that the supernatural exists. If it did, you'd think there would be some proof by now.
When you die, you rot. End of. This might dissapoint you, as humans like to think they are so important they must 'go somewhere' after they leave this earth. It's an understandably self-important notion.
True story: When my dad died, my mum sold the family house and moved into a small terraced cottage in Cheshire. She noiced some nights that the room appeared to shake, and her bed vibrated. Being a tad superstitous she got the parish priest in to 'exorcise' the ghost (of my dad, presumably). Needless to say the mumbo-jumbo had no effect. She mentioned it to the neighbours. "Oh, that's the nightly limestone train from Buxton to Winnington. Makes the whole street shake". Her house was about 100 metres from the Mid Cheshire line.
Moral - look for the obvious cause before jumping to much more interesting but incorrectly superstitious rubbish conclusions.
Having said all that, I did once see a fellow pilot suddenly turn green and completely dissapear. Mind you, we were in the bar and it was his round!
CS
My girlfriend once saw a figure of my grandad on the staircase of the house the first time she came here, she had no prior knowledge of what he looked like as she hadn't seen any photos of him, yet described him perfectly.
He had died two years before her and me even met.
More worrying is that she seems to feel watched whenever she is in my house to the point I have gone into my bedroom before from having a cigarette outside to find her goosebump covered, crying and shaking saying a black figure was stood in the room with her. It took me ages to calm her down and even longer to get her to turn around and come downstairs. We have heard doors banging, lights coming on and off, footsteps, shrieks, things like car keys will vanish and reappear somewhere else, whispers and crying, temperature drops and even had a hand print appear on a window that had not long been cleaned. She has seen a figure in my bedroom doorway at night which i worrying. There is also an oppresive atmosphere about the place, like a big cloud is having over the house, its most unpleasant.
But it only happens when she is there, when I'm home alone its a quiet and comfy as a mouse. We contacted a medium (rather she did and then told me) who explained some entity in the house (whatever that may be) is clearly extremely unhappy with her presence there and is very very keen to show that. Since then she has come over a few times and it gets progressively worse the longer she is there. It doesn't affect us relationship wise (if that is the intent of it) but freaks her out, and me if I am honest.
Probably because after 600 replies we've covered most of the bases!
I'm sure there are a lot from the US though if you care to share.
Thanks Kernowfem!
Anyhoo I cut and pasted this from a ghost story site a while back (can't remember which one) The author was a Peter McKechnie and I post it here for your delectation!
When I was 18 I had a girlfriend who lived 20 miles away at Park Gate. To get to, and from there I regularly used the train from Cosham to Swanwick station. To get home on this particular Sunday evening, I arrived at 11:00 pm on Swanwick station. It is a fairly remote and dingy station and it was unusual for anybody else to be there at this hour, but a lady in her late 40's or early 50's was seated waiting for the last train. She was about 5ft 4 inches tall, of plump build, with permed hair, and was wearing a "camel" coat and was carrying a very large canvas shopping bag, which had a tartan pattern on.
I sat down to wait for the train (which were frequently late). After a few minutes the lady asked if there was a train as she "had to get back to Portsmouth". I told her that I was also waiting for the same train and that it should be along soon. Several times she asked the same question and reinforced that she "must get back to Portsmouth". When the train eventually did arrive, she remained seated but became very agitated and began to cry. I told her that this was the last train, but several times between sobs she repeated: "I can't go back". I asked if I could help, and suggested that if she got on the train that perhaps we could talk about any problems she had. But again she said "I can't go back". Meanwhile the guard had got off of the train to point out that this was the last train on that night and that if I was getting on I should hurry (from his angle he probably couldn't see the lady). Reluctantly I got on the train, and as it pulled out of the station I could see her sobbing.
On the journey home I felt guilty about leaving her, as she was obviously very upset about something. On arriving home at Cosham I telephoned the Police at Park Gate and briefly related the story and asked if perhaps somebody could visit the railway station and see if she was ok. I gave a description of her height, dress, and the bag she was carrying. I assumed that perhaps some domestic dispute was the cause of her distress.
On arriving home from work the next evening (Monday) my mother drew my attention to an article in the local paper, "The Evening News". She knew that I caught the train from Swanwick and this article was appealing for witnesses to an accident near that station. I immediately recognized the photograph included in the article as the lady from the previous evening, the description of her clothing, height, dress and bag also matched perfectly. The article was appealing for witnesses to an accident where the lady had been killed whilst walking along the railway lines.... ON THE SATURDAY EVENING.
I telephoned the newspaper and suggested that they had confused the dates, and that I had spoken to the lady, they checked and to my surprise insisted that the accident had been on Saturday. I then telephoned the police who listened to my story, and indeed confirmed that I had reported the incident on Sunday evening, however were adamant that the incident had occurred on Saturday.
In a subsequent article in the local paper I learned that the lady was called Maureen Hampton, she was a patient in a local mental hospital (Coldeast). She had been allowed out on the Saturday and had been to Portsmouth. Returning in the evening she had missed the station at Swanwick and got off of the train at the next stop (Bursledon), not being familiar with the area she had decided to walk the short distance back to Swanwick along the lines, and been struck by a train.
Now, I wish I had remained or touched her!!! However, I caught the bus after this!
I see many of the forums users are railway workers, and i wondered if anyone had any tales to tell of mysterious happenings/hauntings while on duty, or if anyone has any railway ghost stories.
I appreciate this thread may not be everyones cup of tea, but i would love to hear any stories/experiences you guys may have![]()