Chiltern006
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only ever had a problem with the ride quality on the 5 car units. never had a problem with the 9s
I'm wondering how much the noise levels are due to the inset windows and the complete lack of streamlining on the roof. I imagine there are plenty of vortices set up by those lumps of equipment sat on the roof.Whilst the ride is not forgivable on a modern train, got me thinking what can be done with such a modern fleet to make it more comfortable (and quieter)?
As well he shouldn’t be. It’s neither the law nor a requirement of LNER to wear one.
As for the rough ride, I’ve experienced this a couple of times, although not so much my coffee might spill. They ride more poorly than the MK4s in my opinion.
The lack of a legal requirement doesn't equate to "shouldn't" - it's just an absence of "should" (or at least of a legally mandated "should"). Some people might think there are other types of "should" that come into play here.
They can think that all they like, but LNER's policy does not involve staff asking people to wear them nor questioning why anyone is not. There is signage etc and that is it. Any member of staff so doing is acting in excess of their authority.
With all issues I keep hearing of rough riding, seats being awful and the issues with the 800s makes me glad that there is still the option of the 225s between Leeds and London. I dread the day I have to travel, with the exception of a short journey from Wakefield to Leeds, on the 800s for a long distance journey.
Are the seats in GWR 802 different from Azuma 800/801? (Whispers) I don't mind the Azuma seats at all.I had two short rides on an 802 in the summer in Devon and ride felt pretty good- only thing that wasn't was those seats......
With all issues I keep hearing of rough riding, seats being awful and the issues with the 800s makes me glad that there is still the option of the 225s between Leeds and London. I dread the day I have to travel, with the exception of a short journey from Wakefield to Leeds, on the 800s for a long distance journey.
Where does it struggle on diesel? I've done multiple trips to Aberdeen and I'm Inverness on them and they arrive punctually or early at all stations.Just come back off a Rail Trail trip to Perth, which involved Azumas both ways between York and Perth. Really comfortable and fast rides. They definitely struggle on diesel though.
They arrive on time because the timings had be 'adjusted' for them when they replaced the HSTs. If they’d stayed on HST timings north of Edinburgh they would, especially north of Perth on the gradients of the Highland Main Line, lose time.Where does it struggle on diesel? I've done multiple trips to Aberdeen and I'm Inverness on them and they arrive punctually or early at all stations.
However, the gains made on the electric sections of the journey means the overall journey time is the broadly the same. Not to mention the benefits of not running over 400 miles each way on diesel under the wires.They arrive on time because the timings had be 'adjusted' for them when they replaced the HSTs. If they’d stayed on HST timings north of Edinburgh they would, especially north of Perth on the gradients of the Highland Main Line, lose time.
Hmmm departs Inverness and Aberdeen same time Hsts used to, arrive at Edinburgh same time as Hsts used to, can't see the adjusted times anywhere.They arrive on time because the timings had be 'adjusted' for them when they replaced the HSTs. If they’d stayed on HST timings north of Edinburgh they would, especially north of Perth on the gradients of the Highland Main Line, lose time.
But the timings even on the electric sections have not been altered as yet. So you gain nothing on those section.However, the gains made on the electric sections of the journey means the overall journey time is the broadly the same. Not to mention the benefits of not running over 400 miles each way on diesel under the wires.
However, the gains made on the electric sections of the journey means the overall journey time is the broadly the same. Not to mention the benefits of not running over 400 miles each way on diesel under the wires.
I'm not entirely certain of the exact differentials but they won't have been adjusted by anything more than a couple of minutes, certainly not significant enough to be noticed by the majority of passengers. On the Inverness route some of the time lost on diesel will be regained from running on electric Edinburgh - Stirling (which is timed as such). Improved dwell times with the 800s will also help - HSTs won't have managed any station dwell of less than 2 minutes (in many cases they needed 3 minutes), whereas the 800s can just about achieve a 1 minute dwell at some of the smaller stations. Given all of that the same end-end times for Edinburgh - Aberdeen/Inverness can be maintained, just in a small number of cases at intermediate stations arrivals are a minute or so later than what they were with the HSTs, and that minute removed from the dwell time at that station. The timings were adjusted in December 2019, when the last HSTs were withdrawn.Hmmm departs Inverness and Aberdeen same time Hsts used to, arrive at Edinburgh same time as Hsts used to, can't see the adjusted times anywhere.
Lime speed is 100mph or less on those sections, and even with one Generator Unit not providing power still maintains the sectional times.
When we're the times adjusted? By how much we're the tiles adjusted?
But the timings even on the electric sections have not been altered as yet. So you gain nothing on those section.
The big time table change to utilise there performance was due to be the 2022 timetable change which we all know has been postponed.
Monday was an emergency blanket speed restriction imposed by network rail Scotland on various segments of the Scottish network. In some places as low as 40mph for some considerable distance.It was tipping down up there on Monday and the train was 11 minutes late getting into Perth. The reason given was adverse weather conditions (slow progress on wet rails??). We were only 4 minutes late off Edinburgh and on time into York. Backs up various comments above.
I had two short rides on an 802 in the summer in Devon and ride felt pretty good- only thing that wasn't was those seats......
I have noticed that acceleration in wet weather away from stations is extremely poor, with severe wheel slip.