Brexit matters

[nlogax]

In a protection racket it is those inside such as we were that have to pay a subscription and the others inside that receive money can only use that money to buy services from other members. The EU is the perfect example of that as we found out/already knew when we left.

Any other terms for which you'd like to mangle the definition beyond all recognition?

 

[E27007]

Absolute nonsense isn't it?
Another delusional Brexiteer perhaps?

This deluded Brexiteer is aware of the Farmers dispute in Holland, the Eu seeking a contraction and reduction of the highly-efficient and highly-productive Dutch farming industry, the Dutch being a major exporter of low-cost agricultural produce.
This contraction is not being applied to the French farms, some of the least efficient in the Eu and the French farms the reason for the price-fixing and high prices for food in the Eu.
Is the Eu so opposed to people enjoying plentiful low-cost food it will resort to extortion?

 

[REVUpminster]

M&S tomatoes are sourced from Spain, Poland, and Morocco. That's a free market. Would the EU allow members to import from Morocco; I doubt it.

 

[alex397]

This deluded Brexiteer is aware of the Farmers dispute in Holland, the Eu seeking a contraction and reduction of the highly-efficient and highly-productive Dutch farming industry, the Dutch being a major exporter of low-cost agricultural produce.
This contraction is not being applied to the French farms, some of the least efficient in the Eu and the French farms the reason for the price-fixing and high prices for food in the Eu.
Is the Eu so opposed to people enjoying plentiful low-cost food it will resort to extortion?

The EU is far from perfect and should be criticised for various things. It was still an incredibly foolish and backwards step to leave it though, and beyond my comprehension why anyone still thinks leaving was a good idea, in my opinion.

M&S tomatoes are sourced from Spain, Poland, and Morocco. That's a free market. Would the EU allow members to import from Morocco; I doubt it.

Yes.

 

[E27007]

M&S tomatoes are sourced from Spain, Poland, and Morocco. That's a free market. Would the EU allow members to import from Morocco; I doubt it.

The Eu uses a tariff and quota system to limit imports of agricultural products fron non-Eu countries.

 

[class ep-09]

The protection racket that is the EU swings into action as they allow several members to block Ukraine wheat. One of the reasons Ukraine may never get into the EU. Dutch farmers are not very happy with EU directives buying their farms.

Another rubbish . .

EU countries bordering Ukraine allowed its food products to be transited through their territories , to be sold / delivered to the rest of the world.

No checks were introduced after products entered these countries …

They could simply seal the loads or introduce repayable transit bonds for the goods but they did not , and it was their fault .

Because Ukrainian agricultural products are much cheaper than EU’s, lots of food traders bought and stored in places ( silos , warehouses etc) , where local farmers used to store their products.

Local farmers were hit by lower prices they had to accept for their products to compete with Ukrainian food , and lack of capacity in the storage facilities for their own crops.

Because farmers are big part of electorate - governments prohibited bringing food products from Ukraine , but only temporarily .

Since then - proper checks have been introduced and transit resumed .

It is beyond stupid to say, that EU is protection racket …

It was EU that allowed unconditional imports of Ukrainian food to the EU in the first place - and that still stands .

 

[gysev]

This deluded Brexiteer is aware of the Farmers dispute in Holland, the Eu seeking a contraction and reduction of the highly-efficient and highly-productive Dutch farming industry, the Dutch being a major exporter of low-cost agricultural produce.
This contraction is not being applied to the French farms, some of the least efficient in the Eu and the French farms the reason for the price-fixing and high prices for food in the Eu.
Is the Eu so opposed to people enjoying plentiful low-cost food it will resort to extortion?

All the EU asked was a reduction of greenhouse gasses. Each Member State could choose what they preferred. The Netherlands and the Flanders region in Belgium chose to focus on nitrogen without realizing that this would seriously affect their agriculture. The resulting political problems have therefore been caused by them themselves, not by the EU.

 

[REVUpminster]

Another rubbish . .

EU countries bordering Ukraine allowed its food products to be transited through their territories , to be sold / delivered to the rest of the world.

No checks were introduced after products entered these countries …

They could simply seal the loads or introduce repayable transit bonds for the goods but they did not , and it was their fault .

Because Ukrainian agricultural products are much cheaper than EU’s, lots of food traders bought and stored in places ( silos , warehouses etc) , where local farmers used to store their products.

Local farmers were hit by lower prices they had to accept for their products to compete with Ukrainian food , and lack of capacity in the storage facilities for their own crops.

Because farmers are big part of electorate - governments prohibited bringing food products from Ukraine , but only temporarily .

Since then - proper checks have been introduced and transit resumed .

It is beyond stupid to say, that EU is protection racket …

It was EU that allowed unconditional imports of Ukrainian food to the EU in the first place - and that still stands .

So Ukrainian wheat can pass through the EU but EU citizens cannot benefit from cheaper wheat. That is a classic protection racket as it is people inside the racket pay the higher price for EU protection.

 

[Dent]

So Ukrainian wheat can pass through the EU but EU citizens cannot benefit from cheaper wheat. That is a classic protection racket as it is people inside the racket pay the higher price for EU protection.

As has already been pointed out, this is nothing like a protection racket.

 

[class ep-09]

So Ukrainian wheat can pass through the EU but EU citizens cannot benefit from cheaper wheat. That is a classic protection racket as it is people inside the racket pay the higher price for EU protection.

There were quotas of various products that did not have tariffs before war .

If you call “protection racket “ giving consideration to each country food producers , then it is up to you.

Why UK is not allowing US products unchecked amount to be imported here ?

Is it because UK is “ protection racket “ ?
Of course not .

UK government first and foremost obligation is to protect its own farmers .

Same is with EU.

 

[DoubleLemon]

The current twisted logic is remain actually got what they wanted by loosing the referendum.

The argument is this:
Remain said its very likely we would be poorer if we left. Leave said we would be richer and anything else was fake news.

As we are poorer directly as a result of brexit and it's what remain predicted that means remajn got what they wanted.

This was a guy at work

 

[Dent]

The current twisted logic is remain actually got what they wanted by loosing the referendum.

The argument is this:
Remain said its very likely we would be poorer if we left. Leave said we would be richer and anything else was fake news.

As we are poorer directly as a result of brexit and it's what remain predicted that means remajn got what they wanted.

This was a guy at work

Why would anyone want to be poorer?

 

[class ep-09]

Why would anyone want to be poorer?

I’ve been asking this same question since 2016.

 

[birchesgreen]

Why would anyone want to be poorer?

Its some right wingers mentality, happy to suffer themselves if it means "owning the libs", they probably think everyone is as sad as they are.

 

[Cloud Strife]

M&S tomatoes are sourced from Spain, Poland, and Morocco. That's a free market. Would the EU allow members to import from Morocco; I doubt it.

Uh, I buy plenty of Moroccan produce here in Poland.

 

[tomuk]

Uh, I buy plenty of Moroccan produce here in Poland.

Yes you can buy Morrocan produce in the EU but there are quotas and a price regime that automatically imposes tariffs if the wholesale import prices falls below EU set floors.

 

[class ep-09]

Yes you can buy Morrocan produce in the EU but there are quotas and a price regime that automatically imposes tariffs if the wholesale import prices falls below EU set floors.

And that’s good .

Morocco is not in the EU so why should it be allowed to sell as much as it wants to a market it does not belong to ?

EU member countries first and foremost responsibility is towards its citizens - including their farmers .

 

[biko]

All the EU asked was a reduction of greenhouse gasses. Each Member State could choose what they preferred. The Netherlands and the Flanders region in Belgium chose to focus on nitrogen without realizing that this would seriously affect their agriculture. The resulting political problems have therefore been caused by them themselves, not by the EU.

This is totally incorrect. The whole nitrogen affair has nothing to do with climate policy. It has to do with the very bad condition of nature reserves which are protected according to two EU directives. These areas are designated by each member state and each member state has to protect these against loss of biodiversity. Nitrogen emissions lead to a monoculture of specific plants (it works as a fertiliser) in areas which had specific protected species. As the Netherlands and Flanders have a high density of nitrogen emitting farms together with industry and a dense road network situated close to nature, it leads to the problems and dilemmas we see now. Especially if successive governments try to ignore the problems.

 

[Garmoran]

How would you know?

The Polish company refunded me the VAT part of what I had paid and sent me an updated invoice with VAT as nil

 

[gysev]

This is totally incorrect. The whole nitrogen affair has nothing to do with climate policy. It has to do with the very bad condition of nature reserves which are protected according to two EU directives. These areas are designated by each member state and each member state has to protect these against loss of biodiversity. Nitrogen emissions lead to a monoculture of specific plants (it works as a fertiliser) in areas which had specific protected species. As the Netherlands and Flanders have a high density of nitrogen emitting farms together with industry and a dense road network situated close to nature, it leads to the problems and dilemmas we see now. Especially if successive governments try to ignore the problems.

The OP stated that the EU wanted to destroy the Dutch agriculture, and that is wrong - no 'nasty EU' here. As for local policy, each member state is responsible and can choose their plan of action. The Netherlands (and Flanders) made a choice that badly affected their farmers, a mistake not made by other countries. See this article (in Dutch I'm afraid) by a professor of Utrecht university:

Waarom Duitsland geen stikstofprobleem heeft en Vlaande

De stikstofcrisis in Nederland, en bij uitbreiding ook in Vlaanderen, is een beleidsmatige en juridische keuze. Dat stelt hoogleraar Omgevingsrecht Chris Backes, een Duit

vilt.be

 

[adrock1976]

For many decadfes, British people have shown little enthusiasm for the EEC or EU, check UK electoral turnout figures as low as 25% for Eu elections , , we were not "dragged out" we declinede the authority of the EU Commission and the Eu "Parliament " by a democratic rewferendum vote

You could say that Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Gibraltar were dragged out against their will, as all three voted to Remain.

Furthermore, they were also dragged out by a government that they never voted for.

 

[ainsworth74]

You could say that Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Gibraltar were dragged out against their will, as all three voted to Remain.

Furthermore, they were also dragged out by a government that they never voted for.

I voted remain and didn't vote for this government but because I don't live in one of those three places I matter less?

 

[Gloster]

I voted remain and didn't vote for this government but because I don't live in one of those three places I matter less?

The government isn’t concerned where you live: you only matter every five years.

 

[ainsworth74]

The government isn’t concerned where you live: you only matter every five years.

Of course but we keep hearing about how awful it is that say Scotland has been dragged out. But I've been dragged out too but just because I happen to live in Teesside that matters less somehow?

 

[adrock1976]

Of course but we keep hearing about how awful it is that say Scotland has been dragged out. But I've been dragged out too but just because I happen to live in Teesside that matters less somehow?

Maybe a big difference is the famous quote from David Cameron shortly before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, which was "If you vote "No" to independence, Scotland will remain a member of the EU".

Cameron said this live on TV - after all, Bucks Fizz did have a song called The Camera Never Lies.

 

[JamesT]

Maybe a big difference is the famous quote from David Cameron shortly before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, which was "If you vote "No" to independence, Scotland will remain a member of the EU".

Cameron said this live on TV - after all, Bucks Fizz did have a song called The Camera Never Lies.

And he was quite correct. If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014 it would have left the EU. It didn't, so Scotland remained a member at that time.

 

[nlogax]

And he was quite correct. If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014 it would have left the EU. It didn't, so Scotland remained a member at that time.

I think this point is lost on a lot of people though an independent Scotland would have course have applied to 're' join the EU in a short space of time.

 

[ainsworth74]

Maybe a big difference is the famous quote from David Cameron shortly before the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, which was "If you vote "No" to independence, Scotland will remain a member of the EU".

Cameron said this live on TV - after all, Bucks Fizz did have a song called The Camera Never Lies.

So? Scotland remained a member of the EU until a future vote on the subject. Again, its very odd that some people consider the grievance of people who just happen to live in Scotland or Northern Ireland to somehow be more important just because they live there in comparison to people who live in England (or presumably Wales).

 

[biko]

The OP stated that the EU wanted to destroy the Dutch agriculture, and that is wrong - no 'nasty EU' here. As for local policy, each member state is responsible and can choose their plan of action.

Indeed, the EU (and also the national/regional governments) doesn't want to destroy agriculture, it's national policy choices or the lack thereof which is the problem.

The Netherlands (and Flanders) made a choice that badly affected their farmers, a mistake not made by other countries. See this article (in Dutch I'm afraid) by a professor of Utrecht university:

As the article says, the problem is also present in other countries, but nobody did sue the government yet or some other context is slightly different. So the same problems could arise in Germany or Italy in the near future, but I will stop here as it's going too far off-topic. I just wanted to make clear it hasn't anything to do with climate policy.

 

[Enthusiast]

I think this point is lost on a lot of people though an independent Scotland would have course have applied to 're' join the EU in a short space of time.

And would have seen their application put on the EU's back burner in an even shorter space of time. But it doesn't particularly matter; they didn't vote for independence and, IMHO, would have been unlikely to have done so in a second vote, even before the SNP's recent shenanigans. The Brexit debate is (too) full of ifs, buts and maybes.