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The buses that caught fire were the 12 metre model.

 

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It is anticipated that some new bus options (or maybe completely new models) will be launched at ITT Hub exhibition at Farnborough on 11-12 May.



Range of vehicle choices
Hard on the heels of the government’s latest round of £200m zero-emission bus funding (ZEBRA), ITT Hub offers a unique opportunity to find out what vehicle choices are available, with 14 exhibitors offering new options:
  • Alexander Dennis Ltd (ADL)
  • BYD UK
  • Caetano UK
  • Dawsongroup
  • Ford
  • Harris Maxus
  • Ilesbus UK
  • Iveco
  • Mellor
  • Pelican Bus & Coach
  • Plaxton
  • Switch Mobility
  • Volvo Bus UK & Ireland
  • Wrightbus


Volvo have previously announced on Twitter that the Volvo BZL electric double decker with MCV bodywork will be there (it is in Metroline, London livery to TfL spec)
 
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It is anticipated that some new bus options (or maybe completely new models) will be launched at ITT Hub exhibition at Farnborough on 11-12 May.






Volvo have previously announced on Twitter that the Volvo BZL electric double decker with MCV bodywork will be there (it is in Metroline, London livery to the new TfL spec)
Not wishing to sound pedantic... but apart from the high definition LED displays it's very much old TfL spec.
 

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It is anticipated that some new bus options (or maybe completely new models) will be launched at ITT Hub exhibition at Farnborough on 11-12 May.






Volvo have previously announced on Twitter that the Volvo BZL electric double decker with MCV bodywork will be there (it is in Metroline, London livery to TfL spec)
I'd expect one of those new offerings will be the Wright GB Kite Electroliner, only the Hydroliner variant has made a public appearance thus far.
 
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I have noticed that Volvo Bus still has the 7900 12m electric single-decker in RHD form but now along with the artic version, is Volvo offering a RHD electric artic now in the UK or is this just mis information on the website given that the BZL chassis is available bodied by MCV for the UK!
 

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I have noticed that Volvo Bus still has the 7900 12m electric single-decker in RHD form but now along with the artic version, is Volvo offering a RHD electric artic now in the UK or is this just mis information on the website given that the BZL chassis is available bodied by MCV for the UK!
Even though none have been built i'm sure if an operator wanted to place an order for Articulated Volvo 7900s Volvo would build them and i'm pretty certain that has always been the case, i don't see any reason why they wouldn't as the LHD/RHD buses come from the same factory anyway so it's not like they'd have to justify the costs of setting up a new production line.
 

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It's probably just an error, but the diesel and Volvo B5TL versions of the Enivro 400 have been removed from the ADL website.
Or, at least the hyperlinks on the vehicle page.
 
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It's probably just an error, but the diesel and Volvo B5TL versions of the Enivro 400 have been removed from the ADL website.
Or, at least the hyperlinks on the vehicle page.
Even then as Jordan says if the order is a big enough financial incentive to the builder they like would still build on top of a B5TL.
 

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It's probably just an error, but the diesel and Volvo B5TL versions of the Enivro 400 have been removed from the ADL website.
Or, at least the hyperlinks on the vehicle page.
The diesel (all ADL) version of the E400 is still there. There doesn't seem to be an option for the B5TL on the Volvo website, though. The B8L is the only one listed in the chassis section.
 

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MCV UK seems to state otherwise which has all forms of the EvoSeti still showing with B5TL or Hybrid chassis.
There is the possibility that MCV's site is out of date. I'm more inclined to believe the publicity of the company which produces the chassis, and the B5TL isn't there.

In fact, having done a quick web search for "Volvo B5TL discontinued", the first hit that Google came up with was in this very thread:
Volvo have now apparently discontinued the B5TL in the UK and Ireland.

Their sole double deck offering in these markets is now said to be the B8L which is a tri-axle chassis.

Volvo have removed any hint of a two axle double deck chassis from their UK website so that would concur with what I have heard.
 

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It's probably just an error, but the diesel and Volvo B5TL versions of the Enivro 400 have been removed from the ADL website.
Or, at least the hyperlinks on the vehicle page.
If i'm not mistaken the Volvo B5TL / ADL Enviro400 has never been listed on the website in the first place?
 
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There is the possibility that MCV's site is out of date. I'm more inclined to believe the publicity of the company which produces the chassis, and the B5TL isn't there.

In fact, having done a quick web search for "Volvo B5TL discontinued", the first hit that Google came up with was in this very thread:
So the diesel-only choices now would be Enviro 400(Integral or Scania chassis) or Wright Streetdeck?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the B5 had been discontinued, the earliest examples, at Lothian anyway, are from 2014, so it's an (almost) 10-year-old design.
There is the possibility that MCV's site is out of date. I'm more inclined to believe the publicity of the company which produces the chassis, and the B5TL isn't there.

In fact, having done a quick web search for "Volvo B5TL discontinued", the first hit that Google came up with was in this very thread:
Perhaps the B8L chassis is the full replacement for the B5 chassis, and it's just the case that nobody has ordered any dual-axle models of it yet?
 

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There is the possibility that MCV's site is out of date. I'm more inclined to believe the publicity of the company which produces the chassis, and the B5TL isn't there.

In fact, having done a quick web search for "Volvo B5TL discontinued", the first hit that Google came up with was in this very thread:
Over 100 Volvo B5TLs have been delivered to the UK since that post however, including on three different body types.

 

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ADL may have removed the other chassis options as I believe to order a MMC400 with a third party chassis, one orders via the chassis builder. Scania or Volvo. Stagecoach took some Scania/E400s for their West company last year, so it could be still in production.

The Scania chassis is so much more superior to the complete ADL product.
 
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ADL may have removed the other chassis options as I believe to order a MMC400 with a third party chassis, one orders via the chassis builder. Scania or Volvo. Stagecoach took some Scania/E400s for their West company last year, so it could be still in production.

The Scania chassis is so much more superior to the complete ADL product.
Integrals are built for profit.
 
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In what way?
For a start Scania's 5-cylinder is a better engine than the Cummins 6-cylinder, the DC9 units are effortlessly torquey compared to the Cummins units.

With the Scania or Volvos I’ve driven they’ve almost alway been better when fitted with either a Voith or ZF gearboxes, finding them smooth in general when attached to those engines.
 
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For a start Scania's 5-cylinder is a better engine than the Cummins 6-cylinder, the DC9 units are effortlessly torquey compared to the Cummins units.

With the Scania or Volvos I’ve driven they’ve almost alway been better when fitted with either a Voith or ZF gearboxes, finding them smooth in general when attached to those engines.

I believe some of the recent Scanias (e.g. Omnicity) are thirstier on fuel than Volvos or Cummins, and I've heard (or dreamt!) that the Scanias are better for faster, longer routes, rather than stop-start urban routes.
 

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I believe some of the recent Scanias (e.g. Omnicity) are thirstier on fuel than Volvos or Cummins, and I've heard (or dreamt!) that the Scanias are better for faster, longer routes, rather than stop-start urban routes.
There maybe is truth to it but it is interesting to note that the Scania K230UB Enviro300s at Highland were pulled off the Inverness - Tain route and moved on to local work around Inverness due to reliability issues, their replacements being integral Enviro300s! From my own experience the K230UBs are possibly the slowest and most sluggish buses i've seen, they couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding!

Much of the appeal for Scanias during Euro 4 and Euro 5 was that they didn't require AdBlue so that helped save somewhat on operating costs.
 

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