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m79900

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What's going on with Optare/Switch at the minute? All they seem to be doing at the minute is 8.5m Solos, but that can't be enough to keep the factory going surely. Are the Metrocity and Metrodecker still in production, as I can't find anything on the website.
 
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Both EV models are still listed on the Switch website but "in production" is a misnomer where the Metrodecker is concerned; the last one was registered over 3 years ago.* Metrocity deliveries are more recent (Stagecoach have some 24-plates, plus a 74-plate demo/seed(?) on loan) but the ADL E100EV is having an impact on that front too.

[* Not including Mulleys' pair of diesel versions from the cancelled Reading order]
 
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I think the Switch Metrocity is the lowest full size electric bus available, at 2850mm height. If some low bridge routes are to be electrified, we will need more Metrocities unless the other makers offer lower height options.
 

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Incidentally, a pair of E1s are being shipped to Benidorm. By the sounds of things there are no other such orders, which would explain why they're relaunching the model as is 30 months on.


Switch Mobility has relaunched its E1 battery-electric bus for mainland European markets and beyond and says that the first two such production vehicles for a customer in Spain are in the process of being shipped from its factory in Sherburn-in-Elmet.

The E1 was first shown by Switch Mobility in mid-2022. A spokesperson has confirmed that the relaunched bus is the same as seen then, with 385kWh of battery capacity and scope for up to 93 passengers with its three-door, fully low-floor layout.

Plans are now in hand to sell the model “across Europe.” Discussions are underway with potential buyers in countries within that continent and trials in the Middle East will begin soon, the manufacturer says.
 

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Why don't they build a UK spec?
European and UK urban buses have been very different for several decades now. In particular, UK operators never went in for fully low floor buses, preferring the more conservative low entry, rear underfloor engine layout. European buses are typically a bit more tram/rapid transit like, with few seats and a lot of standing room, and entrances at both ends. For the UK market, they are still able to sell the Metrocity, particularly in London.

I seem to remember that Switch cancelled their European plant project in Spain. Might it make sense to export the European market buses from the UK? I know Wright has done this, but they might have an advantage through being in Northern Ireland.
 

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In India Switch offer a low-entry, high floor at rear bus called the EiV12, which uses a modified version of the E1 body. Perhaps it will come to the UK in some form.

 

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In India Switch offer a low-entry, high floor at rear bus called the EiV12, which uses a modified version of the E1 body. Perhaps it will come to the UK in some form.

Offt reminds me of a BMC Condor - such ugly things.

Optare (as it was) used to produce such fantastic bodies/integrals up to the millennium. They peaked with the Solo/Excel 2.

They’ve not been able to find anything to supersede the Solo SR; and that’s been around in various forms since 2008.
 

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Offt reminds me of a BMC Condor - such ugly things.

Optare (as it was) used to produce such fantastic bodies/integrals up to the millennium. They peaked with the Solo/Excel 2.

They’ve not been able to find anything to supersede the Solo SR; and that’s been around in various forms since 2008.
I travelled on a Solo SR bus only today. They still do the job they were designed for.
 

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I don't think the Hindujas have managed Optare/Switch that well. I mean, announcing proudly that they will never make another diesel again might have brought good publicity, but does not make business sense right now. Wrightbus is now one of the biggest e-bus makers in Europe, and they are still developing their diesels.

Note also, that Wrightbus build electrics under their old name. Name changes are just confusing! And Optare had already changed their name once, from Charles H Roe!

Note how, on the collapse of Transbus International, the surviving components reverted to recognisable variations on their old names.
 
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Note also, that they build electrics under their old name. Name changes are just confusing! And they had already changed their name once, from Charles H Roe!
Admittedly I'm going by Wikipedia but I don't believe that electric buses in the UK are now sold as Optare, happy to be corrected if I've got it wrong!

Roe was a bodybuilder only so I think it made sense to change as Optare had ambitions to become a complete bus manufacturer.
 

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Admittedly I'm going by Wikipedia but I don't believe that electric buses in the UK are now sold as Optare, happy to be corrected if I've got it wrong!

Roe was a bodybuilder only so I think it made sense to change as Optare had ambitions to become a complete bus manufacturer.
Sorry, what I mean is, Wrightbus didn't change their name just to go electric. I'm afraid the Optare name is now only used on diesels (with Switch builder's plaques).
 

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Note also, that Wrightbus build electrics under their old name. Name changes are just confusing! And Optare had already changed their name once, from Charles H Roe!
Is this really the case? The Roe factory was essentially just another Leyland plant when it closed down. I'd be interested to see if you can actually provide a link between the former Roe company and the current Optare/Switch operation.
 

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Is this really the case? The Roe factory was essentially just another Leyland plant when it closed down. I'd be interested to see if you can actually provide a link between the former Roe company and the current Optare/Switch operation.


Charles H Roe was closed down in September 1984, Optare was founded in February 1985 by some former employees using their redundancy money. Sources below:


 

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Charles H Roe was closed down in September 1984, Optare was founded in February 1985 by some former employees using their redundancy money. Sources below:


Thanks, but I was aware of this. I was just challenging the assertion that @Bornin1980s made that "Optare had already changed their name once, from Charles H Roe" when it wasn't just a change of name.
 

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Optare (as it was) used to produce such fantastic bodies/integrals up to the millennium. They peaked with the Solo/Excel 2

A lot of operators got burned badly by the original Excel and their unreliability, to the extent that far fewer operators purchased the Excel 2 or the Tempo. Stuff like the Tempo SR was another mis-step with all the issues Trent appeared to have with them.

They were always more of a niche player in markets outside of those served by the Solo, and were going to get squeezed out as the bus operating industry shrank.
 

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Note also, that Wrightbus build electrics under their old name. Name changes are just confusing! And Optare had already changed their name once, from Charles H Roe!
Not to mention that Switch Mobility is about as generic a name as possible and quite indistinct, unlike Optare.
 

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The Optare name conversation is interesting given that I believe they were bought out by Darwen which was the renamed East Lancs, but the owners chose to use Optare rather than the Darwen name, thus the Olympus has technically had three different manufacturers.
 

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Charles H Roe was closed down in September 1984, Optare was founded in February 1985 by some former employees using their redundancy money. Sources below:


Good grief, the second article was published on the day of my birth! And I was born in Leeds!
 

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A lot of operators got burned badly by the original Excel and their unreliability, to the extent that far fewer operators purchased the Excel 2 or the Tempo. Stuff like the Tempo SR was another mis-step with all the issues Trent appeared to have with them.

They were always more of a niche player in markets outside of those served by the Solo, and were going to get squeezed out as the bus operating industry shrank.
Yet, Ipswich Buses seem happy with their existing Trentbarton Tempo SRs.
 

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I think they have a rather easier life trundling around on short town routes in Ipswich!
I never had an issue with them trundling between Nottingham and Derby, to be fair. Typical lightweight bus... Worst part was the speed humps through Stapleford.
 

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RouteOne carries an article on the new AD200. It is due to be available for testing in Q3 2025, but near the end of the article it suggests that, due to cost constraints, it is likely to be manufactured in part in China, in the same way that the AD100 is. How does that affect UK production capacity?


Alexander Dennis promises class-leading figures for Enviro200EV​


Alexander Dennis continues to promise much for its next-generation Enviro200EV battery-electric single-deck bus, which will break cover in 2025.
What the manufacturer says will be class-leading seating capacity and energy consumption are among items that it believes will deliver strong market share for the product, which sits alongside the existing Enviro100EV small single-deck and next-generation Enviro400EV double-deck models.
Head of Concepts and Advanced Engineering Jamie Wilson explains that while the Enviro200EV shares a lot with those other vehicles, it also leans on the strengths of the Enviro200 diesel. In current form, that bus debuted in 2015, but it in turn traces its roots as far back as the late-1980s in the Dennis Dart.
Low weight is a hallmark of the Enviro200 and its iconic predecessor, and that has been key for the Enviro200EV since it was laid down as a concept in late 2022.
But much more is shared with its contemporary zero-emission sisters, including design language inside and out. “We took a high-level view of our next-generation battery-electric range because those models have a lot of commonalities,” Jamie says.
“We tried to make them modular as far as possible rather than designing three products for the UK that are each new from the ground up.”
Minimising wheel intrusion into the Enviro200EV is key to maximising passenger capacity, Alexander Dennis says

Weight reduction at the fore for Enviro200EV​

On minimising weight, he adds that a key element is right sizing the drivetrain. The Enviro200EV will come at lengths of 9.9m, 10.9m and 11.7m in provincial and Transport for London (TfL) configurations, with a 10.4m option to TfL specification only.
GVW will be 17,200kg against a maximum passenger capacity of 92 in provincial format, which Alexander Dennis notes gives a 1,800kg saving over many competitors in the full-size single-deck space.
Jamie adds that as far back as the Dart, lightweight single-deckers have performed well for the manufacturer and its predecessors. The basic philosophy for the next-generation Enviro200EV is “quite faithful” to the Enviro200 diesel, although the battery-electric will gain independent front suspension.
The cost of that equipment is less than before. Alexander Dennis is mindful that a lighter-weight design risks magnifying poor road surface intrusion into the vehicle and is more susceptible to rattles.
Independent front suspension helps to mitigate those factors, and the manufacturer is confident that ride quality will be good. Jamie and his team have also carried out a lot of work on maximising structural stiffness.

Up to 43 seats planned for newcomer​

Much else is being done on the Enviro200EV from a passenger perspective. It will introduce new design elements beyond those common with the Enviro100EV and Enviro400EV. “We recognise that with those vehicles, we needed to move quickly to get them to market, and so most of our styling work was on the exterior,” Jamie explains.
“For the Enviro200EV, we had time to consider the interior in detail with respect to passenger experience and ambience.” Key to that is the platform area, which he describes as “the lobby.”
An inviting proposition for boarding customers is important, and what is seen first on the full-size single-decker is expected to find its way to the other battery-electric vehicles over the next two years.
The next-generation Enviro200EV leans on the diesel Enviro200, which built on a line of lightweight single-decks
A lightweight approach translates into the layout of the passenger area. As seen on the Enviro100EV, small wheels minimise intrusion. The Enviro200EV will ride on 19.5-inch wheels compared to the 22.5-inch diameter of competitor models.
“A bus is for passengers, not to carry a drivetrain,” Jamie notes. “The floor area, not weight, is the limiting factor when it comes to maximising seating and standing capacity.
“Reduce wheel intrusion and you have more space to carry people. That is an approach that has served us very well in diesel single-deckers and we believe it will do the same in the Enviro200EV.”
At 11.7m to provincial specification, a maximum of 43 seats will be possible. With two wheelchair user spaces, that will drop to 41.
In TfL configuration, Alexander Dennis says that the Enviro200EV will have between two and five seats more than competitor vehicles and, the builder claims, will be the only larger single-deck battery-electric product that can meet the tendering body’s target capacities. A midi-based approach is again key to that, Jamie says.

Urban and interurban use of Enviro200EV considered​

A major area of commonality with the Enviro100EV and Enviro400EV is use of the Voith Electrical Drive System (VEDS).
That product’s efficiency has been lauded, and in the ‘virtuous circle’ surrounding weight and energy consumption, it means that 400kWh of battery storage has been judged to give the optimum range. A move away from hub motors also means that the traction package is entirely sprung, which will reduce vibration.
Much is common across the next-generation Alexander Dennis battery-electric bus range, including drive package
VEDS will be available in the Enviro200EV in medium-duty or heavy-duty form. Jamie expects that the former will account for most examples manufactured, but the latter is part of the portfolio to account for interurban requirements where higher average speeds are in play. The heavy-duty iteration of VEDS is already used in the Enviro400EV, where 60mph can be achieved.
Lithium iron phosphate (LFP) chemistry in batteries sourced from CATL has been adopted for the Enviro200EV. That is one area where it varies from its range-mates. The other two buses use lithium nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) technology owing to space constraints.
The Enviro200EV has significant roof space for energy storage and hence packaging is not as critical. LFP is thus most appropriate. Battery warranty will include up to 1.4GWh total energy throughput.
Jamie notes that on the 11.7m variant, energy capacity could be increased, while across the board it could be reduced should a customer require. However, neither is likely to be necessary, barring highly unusual use cases.
That expectation comes via the use of route modelling, with Alexander Dennis having a ‘deep dive’ tool that goes into significant detail on each customer’s needs.

Class-leading energy use predicted by Alexander Dennis​

That modelling has also given predicted energy usage and range for the Enviro200EV. Figures are not yet for public consumption, but Jamie points to its Enviro400EV sister having achieved the lowest consumption for a battery-electric double-decker under Zemo Partnership testing as a strong indicator of what is expected from the newcomer.
“We hope to mirror that in due course with the Enviro200EV,” he explains. “We have almost two tonnes less to move than competitors, and we will do so with the most efficient driveline on the market.”
Enviro200EV next generation will bring what Alexander Dennis says is class-leading weight, range, and capacity
97% grid-to-wheel efficiency is promised, as with the Enviro100EV and Enviro400EV. A first Enviro200EV is expected in Q3 2025, with Zemo testing to start soon afterwards, subject to availability of slots.
While LFP battery chemistry is what the Enviro200EV will debut with, Jamie adds that thoughts have already turned to future technology generations for energy storage. With the promised efficiency and versatility within a lighter vehicle, there are no plans for a full-weight Enviro300EV single-decker for the UK to follow.

Manufacturing location awaited​

Alexander Dennis President and Managing Director Paul Davies has made clear his view against use of subsidy to part-fund zero-emission buses manufactured outside the UK. There is no final decision yet on where the next-generation Enviro200EV will be assembled.
But a spokesperson for the business points out that at present, “the market does not reward us for building buses in the UK,” which is the reason for the body of the Enviro100EV coming from a partner in China.
“We assume that market conditions for the Enviro200EV will be similar, so we are pursuing the same approach for now,” they add. Even so, the new model could be built entirely in the UK, although any supplied to Asia-Pacific markets will be manufactured in China as a matter of course.
Clearer is that Alexander Dennis has high hopes for the new model. It will arrive next year into what is already a competitive marketplace. Battery-electric technology in bus has advanced far beyond its position when full-size vehicles in that field began to appear in 2013. Such a pace of progress, exemplified by what is promised of the Enviro200EV, shows no sign of slowing.
 

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Volvo are restarting production of the 9700 for Europe and the UK in Mexico, with the first due to arrive in 2026. Doesn't look like the 9900 is coming back. Quite a gap with no B13R offering... While Yutong are clearly making sizable inroads into the coach market at the moment, I've noticed quite a pick up in orders for the Scania Touring too in recent months.


Production of the Volvo 9700 single-deck coach for markets in Europe including the UK and Ireland is set to restart in Mexico, the manufacturer has confirmed.

Such a step was first reported by Hungarian trade title magyargbusz.info on 13 December, with a Volvo spokesperson having since told routeone that a move of the B13R-based 9700 single-deck to Mexico will go ahead. It will see “a selection” of 9700 models produced in that location.

It and the super-high 9900 were previously bodied by Volvo at its plant in Poland, but that facility in Wroclaw has since closed as part of a concentration on chassis production by the Swedish manufacturer.

Volvo had planned to transfer bodybuilding operations for both models to Sunsundegui in Spain, but that subsequently fell through. Sources suggested that the investment required of Sunsundegui to body the 9700 single-deck and the 9900 coaches was too much for the Alsasua business to bear. It subsequently entered financial difficulties.

In Mexico, the 9700 will be built at the OEM’s Tultitlan plant north of Mexico City. The report from Hungary states that the first such coaches for Europe, including the UK, will arrive here in 2026.

The 9700 being in limbo had left Volvo without a B13R-based single-deck coach in the UK and Ireland. The manufacturer’s policy on body manufacture had been stated as moving to greater use of partners as part of its concentration on chassis production.

In reporting the new approach to continuing the 9700 single-deck, magyarbusz.info notes how a Volvo Buses spokesperson told it that the Tultitlan plant has the necessary expertise and technology to finish the coach to European specification. It already assembles the similar 9800 for the Mexican market, which is also built on the B13R chassis.

The spokesperson adds that the Mexico-built 9700 “is planned to be a premium coach with pre-defined specification.” The 9900 does not currently form part of future plans for Volvo, but the OEM adds that it will follow market and customer needs closely, “and continuously review our product plans based on that.”

The Volvo 9700DD double-deck coach is separate to the work to restart production of the single-deck 9700 model and continues to be bodied by Carrus in Finland.
 

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Volvo are restarting production of the 9700 for Europe and the UK in Mexico, with the first due to arrive in 2026. Doesn't look like the 9900 is coming back. Quite a gap with no B13R offering... While Yutong are clearly making sizable inroads into the coach market at the moment, I've noticed quite a pick up in orders for the Scania Touring too in recent months.

For Europe, but not in Europe. What do the Swedish coach builders think of this (if there are any)?
 

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Good to hear (pun intended) that they've belatedly woken up to their reputation for producing rattle traps!
They claimed they'd solved the issue with the MMC. They clearly didn't!

It's not just design, it's build quality as well. It's appalling that brand new buses have loudly rattling panels that are clearly not properly secured.
 

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The amount of fuss they made about the MMC solving the rattles and squeaks and general noisiness which of course we all know it didn't has convinced me to not believe a single word they say if they're going to try and change it now. They for me will always be synonymous with cheap Radley bodies that just ultimately make a long-term unpleasant ride for passengers and must be horrendous for drivers
 

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