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Could end up declassified on that route I guessWell time to time is not very helpful for those booking first class tickets. It’s already a lottery now.
Could end up declassified on that route I guessWell time to time is not very helpful for those booking first class tickets. It’s already a lottery now.
There’s always a “good explanation”, isn’t there? The reality is that the Mark 4 fleet is way behind where it should be in terms of sets in traffic compared with the original plan.They're only booked to have 4 sets out at the moment anyway. And there's a very good explanation as to why they're struggling to achieve that, and why it should get better soon on the MKIV thread.
The planned date has been and gone. There has been movement but it didn't progress as planned. Still shouldn't be far off unless more sticking points come up.Do we have a date for this yet?
It's invariably cheaper to upgrade on the day.Well time to time is not very helpful for those booking first class tickets. It’s already a lottery now.
With the price of a lot of the advances it isn't anymore. Quite a.lot who book late on end up with 1st cheaper than the standard advance available. Presumably as people don't know its there so don't look.It's invariably cheaper to upgrade on the day.
On the orignal plans I thought the provision of 14 units was a bit generous if they were just for Swansea-Manchester (9 or 10 diagrams) given how tight fleet availability often is. Unless TfW were planning to have a 'hot spare' or two on standby, I personally suspected that either the 3-car unit would continue to Milford Haven or the Holyhead-Cardiff route would have first class, although (as far as I know) this was never promised by TfW and, as Bletchleyite says, the additional mark 4s mean the plan will have changed.Am I right in thinking the only Holyhead services with first class will be the MK4 services, and that the 197/1s on that route will be the standard only ones? Ergo First 197 on Manchesters only?
I don't think it's completely clear what will happen now more Mk4s have been taken on.
I'm struggling to find much in the way of first class advance tickets. When I put my mother on the WAG however, we got a really cheap standard class advance and paid the guard to upgradeWith the price of a lot of the advances it isn't anymore. Quite a.lot who book late on end up with 1st cheaper than the standard advance available. Presumably as people don't know its there so don't look.
I don’t think that’s a reflection on the stock but the organisation itself. Every stick rollout on TfW has been botched.
Absolutely, they came in extremely well. Issues with UK built stock, Swiss built stock no problems (yet).What went wrong with the 231s?
The introduction seemed pretty smooth to me.
You might find the 777 introduction thread might disagree there.Swiss built stock no problems (yet).
Yes I agree. I've said before the 231s has been very successful going from 1 diagram in January to 8 or 9 by the May timetable. Just as well. Its about the only successful introduction so far out of the Mk4, 197, 230 and 231s.What went wrong with the 231s?
The introduction seemed pretty smooth to me.
It was 197016
It's 197016, and don't worry, when you click on the photo to open it it appears correctly oriented.
Either testing or crew training.Was this in service or on test?
Would have been crew training none are tested in South Wales and nothing past cardiff in service at moment.Was this in service or on test?
I treat training/testing/mileage accumulation/fault free running all in the same bracket - I keep it simple for new stock, either it is in revenue earning service or it isn't and if it isn't it (or the staff) are being tested in some wayWould have been crew training none are tested in South Wales and nothing past cardiff in service at moment.
No problem. Once they're in service in Carmarthen I'll be taking a trip and reporting backI treat training/testing/mileage accumulation/fault free running all in the same bracket - I keep it simple for new stock, either it is in revenue earning service or it isn't and if it isn't it (or the staff) are being tested in some way
Thanks for confirming
For weekdays, 1V92 and 1V94 are booked 197s southbound, with the return 1W94 and 1W95.Hi, does anyone have any diagrams for Marches line 197s through Shrewsbury for this coming week? Thank you
We are looking at next year for Birmingham - but they are definitely coming.(I also assume the Marches and the Cardiff to North Wales are the only places they run, I don't know if they're ever going to go to Birmingham)
0913&1113 to Cardiff, 1528&1728 to Holyhead.Thank you - I'm sorry but what actual times are these at Shrewsbury? I don't know how to convert the codes to times...I take it they're more reliable than the Mark 4 ones? Is that 4 a day locked in for a while or is there a surge of them coming anytime soon? (I also assume the Marches and the Cardiff to North Wales are the only places they run, I don't know if they're ever going to go to Birmingham)
Sorry, should have explained better. They're the service codes which you can see listed on RTT's detailed mode for the station.Thank you - I'm sorry but what actual times are these at Shrewsbury? I don't know how to convert the codes to times...I take it they're more reliable than the Mark 4 ones? Is that 4 a day locked in for a while or is there a surge of them coming anytime soon? (I also assume the Marches and the Cardiff to North Wales are the only places they run, I don't know if they're ever going to go to Birmingham)
Or can type into the search function at top of the screen.Sorry, should have explained better. They're the service codes which you can see listed on RTT's detailed mode for the station.
They are also in the NR eNRT.Sorry, should have explained better. They're the service codes which you can see listed on RTT's detailed mode for the station.
When the next batch of units is accepted, which should happen within the next few weeks as I understand it.Thank you all So there's only two out on the line at the moment? When can we expect more of them, to enable the 175s to finally be put out of their misery? There is one diagram there that could be perfect timing though
That's correct, Mk4s are slightly hit and miss at the moment, however most of the time it is pretty good.So let me get this right, I've got the Mark 4 diagrams from the 225 Group when I asked about those a while ago - so off peak, the 0944, 1346, & 1544 southbound from Shrewsbury are Mark 4, the 1053, 1251, & 1447 northbound are also Mark 4, those times mentioned above - 0913 and 1113 southbound and 1528 northbound (the other one is peak) are 197, presumably everything out of or going to Birmingham from North Wales is 158, obviously everything Cambrian is 158, and I assume everything else on the Marches lines are 150/3/whatever until full 197 arrives?
Still some 158s and 175s on the Marches too.So let me get this right, I've got the Mark 4 diagrams from the 225 Group when I asked about those a while ago - so off peak, the 0944, 1346, & 1544 southbound from Shrewsbury are Mark 4, the 1053, 1251, & 1447 northbound are also Mark 4, those times mentioned above - 0913 and 1113 southbound and 1528 northbound (the other one is peak) are 197, presumably everything out of or going to Birmingham from North Wales is 158, obviously everything Cambrian is 158, and I assume everything else on the Marches lines are 150/3/whatever until full 197 arrives?