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As stated earlier, the 158's are Aluminium, the same as the Thames Turbo, which did not fare well at Ladbroke Grove under heavy impact
Neither did the HST.
As stated earlier, the 158's are Aluminium, the same as the Thames Turbo, which did not fare well at Ladbroke Grove under heavy impact
But isn’t the vehicle body that end grey and burnt whereas it should be First Group blue?There's no visible fire damage at that end, the bulkhead paint is still clean.
If I remember correctly, not long after it was new, 158862 was run into very hard near Stockport - I went past a few days later and the body had had the cab crushed and the body bent upwards by the leading bogie. Needless to say 52862 was written off and the spare bodyshell kept at Derby was fitted up with 52862's interior and running gear. It was numbered 52862 (2) and joined undamaged 57862. If you check the bodyshell serial numbers, imprinted on the mounts over the rear bogie, all other units have both coaches very close in number but 52862 has a very high number.
2B13 Montrose-Inverurie (which was terminated at Stonehaven) passed over that section of track at some point between 0658 and 0713. What we don't know is how much time passed between then, 1T08 passing over it and the emergency services being called at 0943. I'd imagine that having reached the obstruction on the up line, 1T08 would have been stationary for some time while driver, signaller and control liaised on the next move.
As stated earlier, the 158's are Aluminium, the same as the Thames Turbo, which did not fare well at Ladbroke Grove under heavy impact
But isn’t the vehicle body that end grey and burnt whereas it should be First Group blue?
To me this more proves quite how poor HSTs and Mark 3s are in comparison to modern stock. The 390 involved at Greyrigg came off the line at 95mph, went down an embankment, tumbled and remained structurally sound, mostly intact and coupled. As I understand it linespeed here was 75 but its likely the HST was doing significantly less, and we have one coach demolished, two upside down, one on it own down an embankment and a severely damaged power car.
It was 861 and the cab structure survived fairly intact as did the body itself, the front vestibule buckled. It was generally considered to have performed well I believe.
The burnt end is the inner end, the cab end is closer to the camera in that picture of the PC. You can see that the bulkhead door visible is on the left hand side, so it must be the cab. I think a combination of muck/dust and sunlight is obscuring the colour of the paintwork. Also the grille is clearly towards the burnt end and you can see some light grey paint near there, as well as possibly the dark window ribbon.But isn’t the vehicle body that end grey and burnt whereas it should be First Group blue?
We have no idea how the crash unfolded. I don't know how you can make a comparison. Just because both fulfil the same basic criteria of have ended up off an embankment, there's no way of knowing what forces were involved.
Driving your car off the edge of an embankment into an empty field at 95mph could end up far better than driving your car head on into something solid at 75mph...
It *looks* to be the case here that the train has jack-knifed and then one of the carriages ended up getting wedged in place. No vehicle is going to come out well in that situation, the energy simply has to go somewhere.
Did you ever see the leading power car from Ladbroke Grove after the crash? There is a picture online somewhere of it at Crewe works. It was blackened/burnt but almost intact.Neither did the HST.
I imagine those working / travelling on 2B13 will be thanking their lucky stars right now. With the aluminium bodies, a class 158 has never really been tested in a high energy accident (bar a few fairly low speed collisions) and the results could have been pretty bad as well.
ScotRail aren't using any blue power cars any more.
The BBC doesn't appear to care much about accurate reporting any more. The original reports about carriages going down the embankment may have terrified people who were waiting for news about their relatives, not that the correct situation was really any better given that three people had died in this tragedy.
Did you ever see the leading power car from Ladbroke Grove after the crash? There is a picture online somewhere of it at Crewe works. It was blackened/burnt but almost intact.
It kept its structural form.
When's train takes an unplanned route or returns on itself, Real Time Trains cannot take that into account.Does RealTimeTrains not give a passing time anywhere heading north?
Does RealTimeTrains not give a passing time anywhere heading north?
Scotrail have announced on their social media accounts that the guard died along with the driver and a passenger.
Nobody should go to work and not return.
punctures/damages to the fuel tank and or combining with other thingsExcuse my scientific ignorance but what causes the fire, the force of the impact? Fuel?
Excuse my scientific ignorance but what causes the fire, the force of the impact? Fuel?