Class 365 at Longsight Depot in Manchester

[railnut21]

Does anyone know why there is a class 365 sitting inside the shed at Longsight Depot? Just wandering as I thought they were all going to warm storage/Scrap now

 

[warwickshire]

There is another thread on here some where about this.
However for ERTMS testing and fitting ie European remote train modular signalling.
Believe its 365525

 

[Geeves]

ETCS fitment. Started around December.

 

[railnut21]

ETCS fitment. Started around December.

Thanks for the update

 

[D365]

Does anyone know why there is a class 365 sitting inside the shed at Longsight Depot? Just wandering as I thought they were all going to warm storage/Scrap now

None are being scrapped. 525 is the unit at Longsight as discussed above.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

None are being scrapped.

Which is a ridiculous waste of space. They’re redundant, old compared to other available fleets, and won’t see work again.

 

[cj_1985]

Which is a ridiculous waste of space. They’re redundant, old compared to other available fleets, and won’t see work again.

"Old compared to other available fleets"...
Which other available EMUs are currently available?

As far as I'm aware the 365s are the newest EMU fleet available for lease. (With the exception of the 360/2s)

The 350/2s and 379s don't count as they're currently still leased.

 

[XAM2175]

However for ERTMS testing and fitting ie European remote train modular signalling.

ERTMS = European Rail Traffic Management System, of which the European Train Control System (ETCS) is a part.

 

[cnjb8]

"Old compared to other available fleets"...
Which other available EMUs are currently available?

As far as I'm aware the 365s are the newest EMU fleet available for lease. (With the exception of the 360/2s)

The 350/2s and 379s don't count as they're currently still leased.

If the 360/2s are the 5-car Heathrow ones, I think a freight company has leased them now.

 

[507020]

Which is a ridiculous waste of space. They’re redundant, old compared to other available fleets, and won’t see work again.

In what way are they old or worth scrapping when there are still Class 313, 507, 508, 455, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 456, 323, 465 and 466 EMUs in passenger service which are older, some by over 15 years, not to mention hundreds of ancient DMUs, HSTs and locomotives more than twice as old?

 

[43096]

If the 360/2s are the 5-car Heathrow ones, I think a freight company has leased them now.

Not quite. ROG have bought them and they are available for lease, presumably for freight or passenger use.

 

[A0wen]

In what way are they old or worth scrapping when there are still Class 313, 507, 508, 455, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 456, 323, 465 and 466 EMUs in passenger service which are older, some by over 15 years, not to mention hundreds of ancient DMUs, HSTs and locomotives more than twice as old?

OT, but

the 507 and 508s are in the throes of replacement. The 317s also won't be around for much longer as GA get new units. Most of the 313s have gone.

There are questions about the future of the 456 and 465s.

Locos really aren't comparable, since in the most part they aren't in use for passenger work.

The big issue with the 365s is they are a small, non standard fleet - which means finding new homes for them is problematic. In that way they are not unlike another class of ex GN units - the Class 125 DMUs which were withdrawn in 1977 despite being under 20 years old, because mechanically they were non standard, whereas the mechanically standard class 116s lasted nearly 20 years longer.

 

[SolomonSouth]

OT, but

the 507 and 508s are in the throes of replacement. The 317s also won't be around for much longer as GA get new units. Most of the 313s have gone.

There are questions about the future of the 456 and 465s.

Locos really aren't comparable, since in the most part they aren't in use for passenger work.

The big issue with the 365s is they are a small, non standard fleet - which means finding new homes for them is problematic. In that way they are not unlike another class of ex GN units - the Class 125 DMUs which were withdrawn in 1977 despite being under 20 years old, because mechanically they were non standard, whereas the mechanically standard class 116s lasted nearly 20 years longer.

I did also hear they were unreliable and their motors overloaded easily but not sure how reputable this is. There are a couple of clips suggesting this though:
1.

- at 0:34, 0:37, and more subtly at 0:45 it jolts strangely despite conditions being dry.
2.

- at about 2:29, you get a strange jolt when the unit tries to brake.

Could someone explain what happened in both clips?

 

[swt_passenger]

There is another thread on here some where about this.
However for ERTMS testing and fitting ie European remote train modular signalling.
Believe its 365525

Yes, there’s a picture of it in the main 365 thread:

Class 365 scrap movements + preservation discussion

Do you still have a list of all the individual announcements? There are some available from this webpage - Class 365 Announcement Pack v1.0 – Alan Thomson Simulation You do need an account to download them though. I’ll PM you.

www.railforums.co.uk

The earlier thread specifically stating it is an ETCS trials unit is here:

Class 365 move to longsight??

Hia, anybody know the reason for a class 365’s move from Crewe south yard - longsight last night was?

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[warwickshire]

If the 360/2s are the 5-car Heathrow ones, I think a freight company has leased them now.

They are still at bicester mod in store.
So maybe on the move soon.

 

[D365]

Which is a ridiculous waste of space. They’re redundant, old compared to other available fleets, and won’t see work again.

Don’t see why you are worried on DfT/Eversholt’s behalf.

 

[EnlargedTrain2]

Not quite. ROG have bought them and they are available for lease, presumably for freight or passenger use.

ROG have acquired them to " assist in our transformation of UK rail freight logistics. " (Source: Gordon Cox, ROG Business Development Director) So in other words, they're going to end up associated with Orion Logistics at some point, or at least thats what i can deduce from that quote.

 

[swt_passenger]

ROG have acquired them to " assist in our transformation of UK rail freight logistics. " (Source: Gordon Cox, ROG Business Development Director) So in other words, they're going to end up associated with Orion Logistics at some point, or at least thats what i can deduce from that quote.

But, although this is absolutely nothing to do with this thread‘s subject, it was mentioned in the relevant thread that ROG have also offered them around for spot hire passenger operations:

Rail Operations Group Fleet Expansion - Heathrow Connect 360/2s.

And yet, according to Wikipedia, ROG's own social media posts aren't sufficient as evidence that they have purchased the 360/2s :lol: I did notice that. Pleasingly, it has now been changed (as ROG has placed an announcement on their website - https://www.railopsgroup.co.uk/news/) although the...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[365 Networker]

I did also hear they were unreliable and their motors overloaded easily but not sure how reputable this is. There are a couple of clips suggesting this though:
1.

- at 0:34, 0:37, and more subtly at 0:45 it jolts strangely despite conditions being dry.
2.

- at about 2:29, you get a strange jolt when the unit tries to brake.

Could someone explain what happened in both clips?

That’s just the WSP (Wheel slide protection) working - perfectly normal. Wheel slip can happen for a number of reasons, not just rain. It can be caused by oil, ice, snow, leaf residue, gradient e.t.c.