Class 378 formations as of now?

[heart-of-wessex]

Hello all,

I'm wondering does anyone know what the current status is of the 5 car 378's? I'm planning on writing a scenario for the Railworks North London Line route, and will be based on RTT times from this week, but I don't know what 378's have 5 car's and which ones don't, is there a list available online?

Also, do they all have the 5 car logo's on the front and the wrapping vinyls, or is that applied on certain set's only?

Any help is much appreciated

James.

 

[superalbs]

You should check here: http://abrail.co.uk/emuformations.htm
Green carriages are the ones not delivered yet, I think. Have fun!

 

[JonathanH]

Reports elsewhere suggest that 378135-378154/378201-378226 are converted with 378227 at New Cross depot for conversion this week.

That leaves 378228-378234 and 378255-378257 still to be extended - ie 10 units.

The first use of a 5-car 378 on the Euston to Watford line has also been reported. Observations suggest that a 4-car 378 might still work East London Line services immediately (ie the day) prior to conversion.

Only selected units have the wrap on the 384xx car. All 5-car units have the 5-car notice on the front.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

378231 has been in five-car format for a while now and filler cars for 378228, 229, 230 & 232 were reported as being at Wembley a few days ago.

 

[Skoodle]

Indeed, 227 was running around the ELL as a 4 car yesterday.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Thank you very much, very helpful responses as always

I didn't look at abrail, last time I tried that site it was down for a while and just assumed it had packed up altogether so was unaware it was back on, so thank you superalbs for the link


Cheers,

James.

 

[Skoodle]

I have noticed a small error on the abrail site, the 378 1** units are showing as all having an extra TSO added, that's incorrect, all 5 car units have had a MSO added.

 

[mr_jrt]

I have noticed a small error on the abrail site, the 378 1** units are showing as all having an extra TSO added, that's incorrect, all 5 car units have had a MSO added.

I was just about to post the same query!

...also, shouldn't some of them have PTSO cars?

 

[Skoodle]

Yes they should, all the 378 1** should be TSO, the 378 2** should be PTSO

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes they should, all the 378 1** should be TSO, the 378 2** should be PTSO

However according to the carriage end data plates, all the 378/1s have a PTOS, despite no pantograph being present.

Another potential problem with websites such as AB Rail, and various listing books AFAICT, is that they try and standardise the abbreviations for consistency, but I think both Bombardier and Siemens now use the designations ??OS rather than ??SO.

So should the manufacturer's designation be used, or some historical general purpose translation?

 

[Skoodle]

Yes they do, all of our manuals from Bombardier list the carriages as DMOS / MOS / PTOS / TOS etc. I just used the MSO way as it's more commonly known. The 378/1s are able to be converted very easily to AC/DC. If you stand on the bridge at Highbury & Islington, you can see that the TOS on each 378/1 can just have a pantograph put in. Underneath where the transformer goes there is just a massive slab of a weight to keep it the same should they end up converting them.

There is also no difference in the cabs whatsoever between a 378/1 and a 378/2.