Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[OneTrackMinded]

As mentioned upthread, just after midnight 701 operation is officially switching over to DOGC, which also coincides with when the first trainees should complete their training (6 day course) as it begun on Tuesday.

 

[Idiotic]

Are they ripping up the DCO agreement and will they have to negotiate again to bring it in?

 

[swr444]

As mentioned upthread, just after midnight 701 operation is officially switching over to DOGC, which also coincides with when the first trainees should complete their training (6 day course) as it begun on Tuesday.

I believe the trainees who started on Tuesday have two more days as the training course doesn't run on weekends.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

I believe the trainees who started on Tuesday have two more days as the training course doesn't run on weekends.

Was wondering that, thanks for confirming

 

[WWTownEnth]

How many drivers attend each course (roughly)? Is there only capacity for one cohort at a time or could multiple courses be run on an overlapping basis to speed things up?

 

[swr444]

How many drivers attend each course (roughly)? Is there only capacity for one cohort at a time or could multiple courses be run on an overlapping basis to speed things up?

From monday it seems there will be multiple

 

[DelW]

As mentioned upthread, just after midnight 701 operation is officially switching over to DOGC, which also coincides with when the first trainees should complete their training (6 day course) as it begun on Tuesday.

How have they been operated until now? Among all the discussions of different flavours of door control, I've lost track of what's actually being used.

 

[swr444]

How have they been operated until now? Among all the discussions of different flavours of door control, I've lost track of what's actually being used.

DOGC but it wasn’t in “official” writing. It was switched over due to the lack of DCO approved stations

 

[DelW]

DOGC but it wasn’t in “official” writing. It was switched over due to the lack of DCO approved stations

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the meaning of post #12961 now.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Are there any 701s in passenger service today? I can't find any on RTT

 

[Waterlemon]

Are there any 701s in passenger service today? I can't find any on RTT

701017

 

[swtrains]

Are there any 701s in passenger service today? I can't find any on RTT

It's another single-701 weekend. Also only one set of 458/4s running.

 

[Andy1673]

Down to 22 pairs and 1 single 455 from May. 12 pairs of 458/4s diagrammed.

Which services are booked for single 455 diagram?

 

[bb21]

Which services are booked for single 455 diagram?

2R02/2S11/2S20 then in the afternoon 2S47/2S56/2V57, currently booked 4-car 450 except 2R02 which is currently 8-car 450.

2C11 which currently comes off 2R02 will instead come off 2C08, keeping as 8-car 450, and the latter no longer splitting for 2S11 and 1B87, with 1B87 coming off 2P12 as a 5-car 444, and 1A11/1A24/2L25/2L38 all becoming 8-car 450 off a set from Wimbo rather than from 2P12.

Thank you for this information. If 455s go down from 60 diagrams to 45, and 458/4 go up from 18 to 24, then that still leaves a shortfall of 9 4-car units when compared to now. Does that mean the number of 701 diagrams increases from 6 in May, or does that mean further shortening of main line Desiro diagrams? I was assuming the pair of 458/5 diagram would end in May, but perhaps it does not.

The reduction to 455 diagrams is on the premise of 14 701 diagrams and, as you correctly pointed out, 24 459 diagrams in the base plan. The former is clearly unrealistic for the start of the TT period hence many 701 booked turns in the base plan will continue to be worked by 455s on an STP basis. There is no more 455 currently being planned for scrap for a couple of months yet.

 

[Siemens Staines]

The reduction to 455 diagrams is on the premise of 14 701 diagrams and, as you correctly pointed out, 24 459 diagrams in the base plan. The former is clearly unrealistic for the start of the TT period hence many 701 booked turns in the base plan will continue to be worked by 455s on an STP basis. There is no more 455 currently being planned for scrap for a couple of months yet.

Thank you for this explanation. If I may ask, is the turn booked for the 458/5 pair due to end with timetable change? If so, will they be added in to the STP mix to cover booked 701 turns.

 

[swr444]

Thank you for this explanation. If I may ask, is the turn booked for the 458/5 pair due to end with timetable change? If so, will they be added in to the STP mix to cover booked 701 turns.

It’s actually going back to a 2C diagram

 

[Siemens Staines]

It’s actually going back to a 2C diagram

Thank you. Would that be the diagram that is currently 2*455 all day and which is 2*458/5 on Saturdays?

 

[swr444]

I know that 2C35 is one of them

Thank you. Would that be the diagram that is currently 2*455 all day and which is 2*458/5 on Saturdays?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I know that 2C35 is one of them

So no more 458/5 from May right? Makes sense as there’s only a pair available each day.

 

[swr444]

So no more 458/5 from May right? Makes sense as there’s only a pair available each day.

That’s the opposite of what I was saying. They are diagrammed on a 2C diagram come May

 

[Siemens Staines]

I know that 2C35 is one of them

Thank you. 2C35 would tie in with the 2*455 diagram going over to 2*458/5

 

[Goldfish62]

It’s actually going back to a 2C diagram

Ah splendid.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That’s the opposite of what I was saying. They are diagrammed on a 2C diagram come May

I see. I read that as meaning a 455 was taking over, I don't know why. Must be chock full of miles still then.