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5Q50 Derby to Worksop today was 47739 +701502 + 47749
Held me up at a level crossing this afternoon.701020 on 5Q50 this morning.
Could this be the first time (or one of the first times) a 444 has ended up on a service like this? Selfishly I'm all for it when it comes to comfort, but it does make me wonder how the end doors and the painfully slow door cycles would play out on a service like this - I'm amazed it kept (relatively) to time!Realtime Trains | 1S77 2322 London Waterloo to Woking | 15/08/2023
Real-time train running information for 1S77 2322 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 15/08/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
444001 was on a London Waterloo to Woking all stops via Hounslow and Chertsey working yesterday! The situation is starting to get weirder and weirder as we await the 701s introduction.
Realtime Trains | 1S77 2322 London Waterloo to Woking | 15/08/2023
Real-time train running information for 1S77 2322 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 15/08/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
444001 was on a London Waterloo to Woking all stops via Hounslow and Chertsey working yesterday! The situation is starting to get weirder and weirder as we await the 701s introduction.
1S77 has been a booked 444 since the December 2022 timetable change. Looks as if it would serve as a route and traction refresher of the Byfleet curve.Could this be the first time (or one of the first times) a 444 has been technically declassified, as first class tickets wouldn't have been available? They certainly don't usually end up on these services! Selfishly I'm all for it when it comes to comfort, but it does make me wonder how the end doors and the painfully slow door cycles would play out on a service like this - I'm amazed it kept (relatively) to time!
Meanwhile I just went past some parked up 701s - the mind boggles at this mess!
Oh yes, I didn't see the added dwell time.1S77 has been a booked 444 since the December 2022 timetable change. Looks as if it would serve as a route and traction refresher of the Byfleet curve.
The door cycle time of a 444/450 is accounted for in the WTT schedule as it alternates a 30sec dwell with a 1min dwell to allow for the 45sec door cycle time of the desiros.
I have had a quick look, seems WTT dwell times for this service are no different to others throughout the day. But yes door cycles on desiros are certainly slow.1S77 has been a booked 444 since the December 2022 timetable change. Looks as if it would serve as a route and traction refresher of the Byfleet curve.
The door cycle time of a 444/450 is accounted for in the WTT schedule as it alternates a 30sec dwell with a 1min dwell to allow for the 45sec door cycle time of the desiros.
Quite so. Given it's the last train down that route (of the day), and where it berths (if I am correct in what I think), the unit type/formation will (likely) be a result of the requirements of the following days (a.m.) diagram for that unit. The casual observer needs to understand how the next days working (for any particular unit) may have a bearing on the previous nights last working. A 'positioning' move in old school parlance, but arranged with minimal/no extra expense, ie: via a normal service.As for traction competency I believe 444/450 are classed as the same.
Looks as if this 5 car 444 service usually goes empties to Guildford after terminating at Woking. Then sits there for a couple of hours before going empties to Surbiton where it enters passenger service to Waterloo before forming the 05:30 service to Weymouth (does a couple of Weymouth runs then the 19.30 to Portsmouth then empties to Fratton).Quite so. Given it's the last train down that route (of the day), and where it berths (if I am correct in what I think), the unit type/formation will (likely) be a result of the requirements of the following days (a.m.) diagram for that unit. The casual observer needs to understand how the next days working (for any particular unit) may have a bearing on the previous nights last working. A 'positioning' move in old school parlance, but arranged with minimal/no extra expense, ie: via a normal service.
Quite so. Given it's the last train down that route (of the day), and where it berths (if I am correct in what I think), the unit type/formation will (likely) be a result of the requirements of the following days (a.m.) diagram for that unit. The casual observer needs to understand how the next days working (for any particular unit) may have a bearing on the previous nights last working. A 'positioning' move in old school parlance, but arranged with minimal/no extra expense, ie: via a normal service.
Looks as if it would serve as a route and traction refresher of the Byfleet curve.
I remember a job we had where we worked a 444 5 car to Hounslow then empties to Fratton…That was pre-2007 though as we lost the work in January 2007.Realtime Trains | 1S77 2322 London Waterloo to Woking | 15/08/2023
Real-time train running information for 1S77 2322 departure from London Waterloo to Woking on 15/08/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
444001 was on a London Waterloo to Woking all stops via Hounslow and Chertsey working yesterday! The situation is starting to get weirder and weirder as we await the 701s introduction.
I believe it's 5 setsHow many units do they need to run the Windsor diagram
5 Windsor, 7 Reading (was 14 pre Covid).I believe it's 5 sets
SWR telling journalists that they have now accepted 47 units and are still aiming for the first trains to run in revenue service by the end of the year
Depending on how you measure it, SWR are only running about 85% of their timetable of 4 years ago, and of course intended to supplement peak hour workings by Dec 2020 (in their franchise award promises).
So unless about 15% of staff have left in 4 years, and the few percent for the growth failed to be trained, there are lot of people sitting around who could be on training runs.
It would be interesting to know how many of those 47 units are actually "match fit" to go into public service immediately.SWR telling journalists that they have now accepted 47 units and are still aiming for the first trains to run in revenue service by the end of the year