Class 710 LO

[plcd1]

TfL showing off the new Class 710s but only in the confines of Willesden depot as it can't run on NR tracks yet! Note that due in service on the GOBLIN by *November*. So that's only, what, 11 months late. Must make the transfer away of the 172s to West Midlands Trains very tight indeed / late.


https://twitter.com/MayorWatch/status/1009377523082424320

http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/tfl-unv...-trains-due-to-enter-service-later-this-year/

Partial quote below.

Transport for London has unveiled the first of a new generation of London Overground trains which includes improved temperature control for more comfortable journeys, USB charging points and on-board Wi-Fi.

54 of the Class 710 trains are being built in Derby by Bombardier, with the fleet initially entering service on the Gospel Oak to Barking route from this November. TfL claims they will “transform journeys” for thousands of London Overground passengers every day.

Operated by Arriva Rail London (ARL), on behalf of TfL, the new trains will also feature a new colour scheme and unique seat moquette.

 

[spark001uk]

Well I was just totally fooled by RTT.! Shows class 710 emu on all the GOBLIN services now, so I hot footed it over, and... ah. Computer says yes, reality says no!

 

[samuelmorris]

So it does - interesting, I assume therefore they're now trying to achieve EMU timings with the 172s?

 

[spark001uk]

Could be. I just asked driver and they said long way off yet, maybe even next year!

 

[Kite159]

Is it bad for me to think that the first one will be delayed some more and won't be in passenger service until the new year?

 

[Wivenswold]

I don't think that a 2019 start for the 710s will happen and I don't think it will be allowed to happen. The new November deadline feels like it's got some cushioning in there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them start service late September or October.

 

[class387]

I'm not a fan of this interior design to be honest. Compared to the 345, which I find to be one of the classiest interiors in the UK, this looks incredibly childish, bland and sterile, more so than the 378s. I especially dislike the new moquette - why green? - and the dark floor contrasting with the light colours make it look like a warehouse of some sort.

Am I the only one to think this?

 

[The_Engineer]

I especially dislike the new moquette - why green? -

I see blue.....

 

[class387]

I see blue.....

On closer inspection it seems to be some teal-like colour, so you could be right.

 

[Domh245]

The green certainly is an odd addition, but I don't think that picture really does it justice, it looks more than acceptable in Geoff Marshall's video about them. Most interesting thing I took from the video is the presence of the TFT advertising screens (although seemingly not every advertising panel has one)

I see blue.....

On closer inspection it seems to be some teal-like colour, so you could be right.

It is green (based on samples of the shrubbery on the Overground Network)

 

[Kite159]

Those seats look rock hard.

USB sockets in the armrests?

 

[class387]

The green certainly is an odd addition, but I don't think that picture really does it justice, it looks more than acceptable in Geoff Marshall's video about them. Most interesting thing I took from the video is the presence of the TFT advertising screens (although seemingly not every advertising panel has one)

I'd agree with that. I still think that it could be a lot better, but it does seem to work better in low light conditions and, more importantly, with interior lights on.

The screens are a good addition.

 

[The_Engineer]

On closer inspection it seems to be some teal-like colour, so you could be right.

Hmm.... having seen the video and a close up of the seats on there it appears more green than blue, plus there's a small amount of dark green in there. I often have arguments with my wife over green/blue hues so maybe it's my eyes

Whatever colour you call it, it doesn't go with orange!!

 

[Class465fan]

Correct me if i'm wrong about this, but weren't the 710s originally going to have a mixture of 2+2 seating/longitudinal seating arrangement like the 345s?

 

[Domh245]

Correct me if i'm wrong about this, but weren't the 710s originally going to have a mixture of 2+2 seating/longitudinal seating arrangement like the 345s?

The West Anglia subfleet (the AC only /1s) were supposed to have a Metropolitan line-esque layout, which may well have morphed into something like the 345s, however it was announced that they are going to also be longitudinal throughout

 

[swt_passenger]

Correct me if i'm wrong about this, but weren't the 710s originally going to have a mixture of 2+2 seating/longitudinal seating arrangement like the 345s?

I’m pretty sure that TfL originally said they would have 2 different layouts, ie 378-like for the DC and Goblin sub-fleet, and mixed layout a bit like S8 stick for the rest for the West Anglia routes.
But it has also been posted in a few places that this was subsequently changed. There was a discussion in this thread starting at post #141.

 

[87015]

So it does - interesting, I assume therefore they're now trying to achieve EMU timings with the 172s?

Yes. Worth remembering that with a single bay at each end restraining things the intermediate running times don't actually make a difference in the grand shceme of things.

 

[theking]

Those tft screens are smart makes sense and was surprised the 345 don't have them could stream important events or news to them

Interior looks like a nice unit not dark and dindgy like the 345's.

 

[Mikey C]

Love the big windows when compared to the 378s. So much easier to see out of, especially if you're standing

 

[nxea321446]

Noticed on RTT this evening that there’s a Willesden TMD to Chaddesden (Derby) for tomorrow, 710261 going back to Litchurch Lane i’m guessing?

 

[jhy44]

I'm really not a fan of the Orange at all, on the trains; on the map, it's very garish. Pairing it with brown and teal is even more awful yet.

Speaking of the map, when will TfL split the Overground into separate coloured lines? The mass of orange all over the map is incredibly difficult to understand & follow.

 

[Wivenswold]

It's definitely a Marmite colour scheme, though incidentally, my opinion of that product busts the advertising myth because I find the taste of that spread to be okay.

Love the orange brown and greenish scheme. Takes me back to the days when it was the standard LT moquet on buses and underground trains from 1978 to 1986.

 

[robk23oxf]

I'm not so sure the brown and green work well together, I definitely prefer the design on the current trains.

 

[lammergeier]

The green certainly is an odd addition, but I don't think that picture really does it justice, it looks more than acceptable in Geoff Marshall's video about them. Most interesting thing I took from the video is the presence of the TFT advertising screens (although seemingly not every advertising panel has one)

It is green (based on samples of the shrubbery on the Overground Network)

Shrubbery indeed, I don't think even the guy in the video who said it believed that! Interesting little video, although that "music" on loop all the way through was irritating. Cabs look good, nice big comfy looking drivers seat so at least the drivers should like them more than the stock they're replacing.

 

[LLivery]

I don't mind the interior, using 378s daily, I think this is better. The 378s often lack natural light and the seats aren't exactly comfortable. Crossrail units would've been better being this bright. Not a fan on the longdi seating but oh well, it's not me commuting to Turkey Street.

Speaking of the map, when will TfL split the Overground into separate coloured lines? The mass of orange all over the map is incredibly difficult to understand & follow.

We've all be asking that for years. The DLR and Tram in car diagram show different coloured lines, I can't see why LO is refusing. Just stubbornness.

 

[BahrainLad]

A bit of a hint in the video that discussions with NR could result in more than 4tph on the GOBLIN, any views on that? I was always told there was far too much freight using the line to make this a possibility but it would be good for those of us who live locally. As would through trains beyond Gospel Oak!

 

[plcd1]

A bit of a hint in the video that discussions with NR could result in more than 4tph on the GOBLIN, any views on that? I was always told there was far too much freight using the line to make this a possibility but it would be good for those of us who live locally. As would through trains beyond Gospel Oak!

I think that bit at the end was included as a bit of a "sop" to the user group and some local politicians (incl the leader of the Labour Party) who have campaigned hard for the GOBLIN over many years. Longer hours of operation are dependent on NR loosening its grip on possession time AIUI. If there is a change I don't expect it to be revolutionary - maybe 20-30 mins earlier in the morning M-F. As for the increased frequency then TfL tend to prefer to go for that if it can be achieved. There have been remarks both pro and anti as to whether a 5 tph service could run without interferring with freight. I've yet to see anything remotely definitive one way or the other. I expect it may become clearer if the use of 4 car EMUs unleashes another wave of suppressed demand and TfL find themselves in a further capacity crunch or in line with planning for introducing the Barking Riverside extension. That's the only time it makes any real sense. NR's own planning studies suggested it would be 2040 before a further material intervention was needed to raise capacity on the GOBLIN. The other factor is money - TfL has next to no spare cash for yet more Overground expansion. It has one wave planned with the extra 710s that have been ordered but beyond that there's nothing.

 

[Fisherman80]

In my opinion after watching the video on YouTube......the interior is quite shocking.....especially the seating layout.

I would much rather have the same kind of seating layout of a 315 compared to this.

I'm speaking as a passenger and not an enthusiast by the way.

It doesn't sit well with me that there is more standing room than seats on a lot of the new rolling stock.

 

[SteveOfTheStow]

I would much rather have the same kind of seating layout of a 315 compared to this.

I'm speaking as a passenger and not an enthusiast by the way.

It doesn't sit well with me that there is more standing room than seats on a lot of the new rolling stock.

Would you rather stand or not board at all? That's literally the consequence of the choice between longitudinal and transverse. Me? I'd rather stand on the train and get to work on time than have to wait for the next one.

Also, as a 315 and 313 user for over 10 years, those seats were horribly cramped. Your knees are pressed up against the person in front of you, and you end up accidentally kicking everyone if you try to get out from the end seat of a 3. 3+2 needs to die on British trains.

 

[Class465fan]

Would you rather stand or not board at all? That's literally the consequence of the choice between longitudinal and transverse. Me? I'd rather stand on the train and get to work on time than have to wait for the next one.

Also, as a 315 and 313 user for over 10 years, those seats were horribly cramped. Your knees are pressed up against the person in front of you, and you end up accidentally kicking everyone if you try to get out from the end seat of a 3. 3+2 needs to die on British trains.

Yeah but couldn't they at least put an effort to put some 2+2 seating on these new trains though? Feel very uncomfortable and awkward when i sit on those tube style seats when packed.