Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[duffield]

And the winner of the public vote is: "Trainy McTrainface".

 

[John R]

How about the Compromise, or in a nod to the SoS who cut back electrification, the Grayling.

 

[Aictos]

Well I never knew old Nige lived in St Albans. (Strictly speaking, it’s not St Albans now, but Hertsmere, and the wrong side of the M25 to boot).

Didn't know about the St Albans link but I know he lived in Watton House in the village of Watton-At-Stone until his death in 1941.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

Class 810 naming suggestions:

EMR Pride - after Derby Pride Park, Derby being proud home of British rail engineering?
EMR Motion - after Lincolnshire born Issac Newton's laws of motion?

 

[class26]

Class 810 naming suggestions:

EMR Pride - after Derby Pride Park, Derby being proud home of British rail engineering?
EMR Motion - after Lincolnshire born Issac Newton's laws of motion?

Pity though they will not operate in Lincolnshire save for maybe to odd outing to the seaside in high summer

 

[Kneedown]

Pity though they will not operate in Lincolnshire save for maybe to odd outing to the seaside in high summer

I'm not aware of any plans to do away with the single morning and evening Lincoln services, but the point is valid.

My suggestion was "Wyverns", the emblem of the former Midland Railway.

 

[Thunderer]

Class 810 naming suggestions:

EMR Pride - after Derby Pride Park, Derby being proud home of British rail engineering?
EMR Motion - after Lincolnshire born Issac Newton's laws of motion?

How about "Numb Bums" because being a suffering passenger on GWR, that's what you can expect on the MML when these god awful trains are introduced, with probably the same seats as on GWR. Or you could dedicate the naming to the DfT and call them "Numb Skulls" for actually endorsing and inflicting these awful trains on GWR and ECML passengers.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

810s may not operate much in Lincolnshire, I suggested Motion as Newton comes from the East Midlands therefore may suit EMR's critiera for the new name. Agreed they could occasionally go to Lincoln & Skegness.

I like "Wyvern", it is a good name though GWR could have used this for their 800's instead of the pedestrian "IET" as the Wyvern name seems to identify more with Somerset & Wessex. If EMR goes with it, then great!

This may be too obvious but this will refer more about EMR than the region itself - "EMR Flying Aubergine"? Haha...

 

[dorsetdesiro]

I wouldn't blame the terrible seating on the trains as the new TPE CAF units also have these as well! The EMR 810s could have the same seating at the new GA Stadler intercity FLIRTs as both GA and EMR are run by Abellio but it wouldn't be the end of the world if they don't. Abellio seems more "thoughtful" than FirstGroup & others as the new WMR regional trains lack the ironing boards.

I do like the Hitachi Super Express trains, only if they had better seating with the DfT being so penny pinching using the fire regulations excuse. I've used LNER up and down from Yorkshire, of course not as comfortable as the old HSTs and I didn't really find them a problem. The Thameslink 700s are much worse at least LNER doesn't have the cheek to use these between KGX and Leeds.

Depending how rail travel will fare post-virus and whoever owning the franchise, hopefully they will have the sense to improve/upgrade the seating when the IETs/Azumas/Paragons/Nova 1s/ the AWC, First East Coast, EMR units enter their first or midlife refurbishment.

 

[samuelmorris]

I wouldn't blame the terrible seating on the trains as the new TPE CAF units also have these as well! The EMR 810s could have the same seating at the new GA Stadler intercity FLIRTs as both GA and EMR are run by Abellio but it wouldn't be the end of the world if they don't. Abellio seems more "thoughtful" than FirstGroup & others as the new WMR regional trains won't come with ironing boards.

I do like the Hitachi Super Express trains, only if they had better seating with the DfT being so penny pinching using the fire regulations excuse. I've used LNER up and down from Yorkshire, of course not as comfortable as the old HSTs and I didn't really find them a problem. The Thameslink 700s are much worse at least LNER doesn't have the cheek to use these between KGX and Leeds.

Depending how rail travel will fare post-virus and whoever owning the franchise, hopefully they will have the sense to improve/upgrade the seating when the IETs/Azumas/Paragons/Nova 1s/ the AWC, First East Coast, EMR units enter their first or midlife refurbishment.

As will the TfW 197s. Fainsa Sophias are a 'UK modern rail industry' problem, not specifically a Hitachi problem. Like you, however, I find LNER's iteration of them to be less problematic than most. It will be interesting to see how EMR fare in that regard.

 

[Purple Orange]

How about "Numb Bums" because being a suffering passenger on GWR, that's what you can expect on the MML when these god awful trains are introduced, with probably the same seats as on GWR. Or you could dedicate the naming to the DfT and call them "Numb Skulls" for actually endorsing and inflicting these awful trains on GWR and ECML passengers.

I dunno, the TPE 802s are pretty comfortable.

 

[Domh245]

I wonder if we could see LEANs fitted to these units. Abellio do seem to have a preference for them as they've appeared in both WMR and GA fleets, but it would involve getting them approved for the higher speed I think

 

[CeeJ]

I suppose 'EMR Council Car Park', named after where they found Richard III, or Plantagenets to really rub it in during the occasional trips to Leeds. Maybe 'not quite Azumas'?

On a serious note I do like Wyverns. Can't think of anything creative.

Odd that they'd change the class number, not a massive fan of very similar trains taking up distant class number (looking at you, Bombardier and Siemens), though it may simply be that the changes are great enough to warrant a clear distinction from the usual Class 800s.

 

[DB]

I suppose 'EMR Council Car Park', named after where they found Richard III, or Plantagenets to really rub it in during the occasional trips to Leeds. Maybe 'not quite Azumas'?

On a serious note I do like Wyverns. Can't think of anything creative.

Odd that they'd change the class number, not a massive fan of very similar trains taking up distant class number (looking at you, Bombardier and Siemens), though it may simply be that the changes are great enough to warrant a clear distinction from the usual Class 800s.

Aren't the vehicles going to be shorter than the 800s? If so, they have to have a different class number as the route clerance won't be the same.

 

[CeeJ]

Aren't the vehicles going to be shorter than the 800s? If so, they have to have a different class number as the route clerance won't be the same.

Apologies, I meant from 804 to 810 - if route clearance isn't the same would they need a major differential?

 

[samuelmorris]

Apologies, I meant from 804 to 810 - if route clearance isn't the same would they need a major differential?

Not how it works - there's no logic to TOPS designations whatsoever, look at 700s and 701s, or 331s and 332s, or 322s and 323s...

 

[CeeJ]

Not how it works - there's no logic to TOPS designations whatsoever, look at 700s and 701s, or 331s and 332s, or 322s and 323s...

I didn't think so

 

[greatvoyager]

Any more news on these trains yet?

 

[midland1]

The Wyverns were symbol of the Midland Railway

 

[jamesnotts86]

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[superalbs]

This picture of a new render has been doing the rounds on Facebook:


It does look very nice (certainly much better than the dull and generally poor regular design), but I am of course still prepared to be disappointed.

Unfortunately they supposedly have also chosen another daft name, this time 'EMR Aurora'.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I like the look of that, it looks more modern and "meaning business" than the original, including windows flush with the bodyside, presumably to avoid the cleaning issue of the existing 80x.

Interesting that the end vehicle has the end door inset a window width from the end.

 

[221101 Voyager]

This picture of a new render has been doing the rounds on Facebook:
View attachment 85093

It does look very nice (certainly much better than the dull and generally poor regular design), but I am of course still prepared to be disappointed.

Unfortunately they supposedly have also chosen another daft name, this time 'EMR Aurora'.

Hate the lights! If it had a yellow end it'd look quite nice though overall.

 

[irish_rail]

Uglier than the original, lights certainly make it look daft, and front end just looks like it was once yellow, just very very faded!

 

[superalbs]

Hate the lights! If it had a yellow end it'd look quite nice though overall.

Now it looks daft.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Now it looks daft.
View attachment 85094

Hmm... It does actually! I think it's ugly comapred with this...

This one is much nicer!

Unfortunately they supposedly have also chosen another daft name, this time 'EMR Aurora'.

What a stupid name!

 

[crablab]

This picture of a new render has been doing the rounds on Facebook:

What is the panel just below the light cluster for?

 

[221101 Voyager]

What is the panel just below the light cluster for?

Don't know, but it looks awful though.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Interesting that the end vehicle has the end door inset a window width from the end.

The inner end of the driving car has more than a hint of 158 about it, probably because of that feature.

Oddly the second image doesn't have the inset door, so I assume one or the other is just a rendering oversight on the part of whoever produced the images. There's nothing I'm aware of that would prevent doors being offset on either side of a vehicle, but there's no advantage to designing it that way.

 

[greatvoyager]

This picture of a new render has been doing the rounds on Facebook:
View attachment 85093

It does look very nice (certainly much better than the dull and generally poor regular design), but I am of course still prepared to be disappointed.

Unfortunately they supposedly have also chosen another daft name, this time 'EMR Aurora'.

EMR Aurora doesn’t sound too bad, but I think something about this redesign looks a bit unbalanced for some reason.