Couple have foster family removed for supporting 'racist' UKIP

[Butts]

Maybe a mod would like to delete the rest of my apparently unnecessary ramble then?

I they spent all day doing that there would be very little content on the entire site !!!

 

[wintonian]

I they spent all day doing that there would be very little content on the entire site !!!

I do seem to be developing a bit of a habit of intending to make a brief comment and then getting carried away.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

Why do they need to be against other races an culture? I mean culture makes up a lot of Britain and makes it good, we probably enjoy their food more than ours as well!

So why not everyone just get on along with each-other?

 

[Butts]

I am looking at an area of high South-Asian continental immigration into Britain that has been established for quite some period of time and to how this might affect the strength of numbers who support either the BNP or UKIP in terms of their reaction to this. I find that East Lancashire is such an area, where much of the original immigration was to provide workers in the textile industry. Burnley was one council area where the BNP made gains of elected local councillors some years ago.

How numerically strong is UKIP in the East Lancashire area, compared to the BNP?

I'm not sure - but did you see that recent series on BBC3 or 4 entitled "Inside the Town Hall" that gave a fascintating insight into the machinations of local politics.

That was Stoke but one of the featured BNP candidates didn't look/sound like he'd been selected on the basis of his stunning intellect !!!

 

[ATW Alex 101]

Please do proper research: look at their website / manifesto, news websites, whatever, just don't base your opinions on things like Yahoo! Answers and Wikipedia, which can be edited by anyone to say anything, regardless of whether or not it is the truth. UKIP are not a racist organisation, and myself and and I'm sure many other UKIP-ers get so annoyed with our constant comparing to the BNP and EDL, we are not the same at all. I also believe deputy leader Paul Nuttall has a strong dislike of the BNP as well, certainly nothing similar to BNP policy would be introduced with him in such a senior role.

I didn't have much time to research but now I do, I have done a bit now and can see where they are not racist now, so Yahoo gave the same answers anyway The UKIP website synopsis even gave:

Libertarian, non-racist party

and upon entering the website I instantly seen a picture with a few people in it from different races, so I do apologize if my first comment may have upset anybody by saying their party was racist.

 

[wintonian]

So why not everyone just get on along with each-other?

Because that's too simple!

Human nature is that we find it difficult if people don't confirm to 'our' way of doing things and as different people and different cultures have different ways of doing things we can't agree on what we should all conform to.

That's a bit simplistic but it could form the basis for a whole set of sociological theories.
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and upon entering the website I instantly seen a picture with a few people in it from different races, so I do apologize if my first comment may have upset anybody by saying their party was racist.

I am not saying UKIP are racist just using an example.

The BNP could have a nice picture of Mr Griffin hugging some ethnic minority's on their website, which doesn't make them non-racist - It's called political propaganda something all parties use to some extent.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

I am not saying UKIP are racist just using an example.

I never said you did. My initial thought was that they were upon reading this thread, I'd never heard about UKIP before so I did a bit of research and now know a bit about them, and can see that they are not racist. Learn something new every day eh

 

[transmanche]

Libertarian, non-racist party.

To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies; "well they would say that wouldn't they"...

I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but I think it's appropriate in the circumstances - as a certain charismatic politician was once quoted as saying "I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred".

 

[Eagle]

To misquote Mandy Rice-Davies; well they would say that wouldn't they...

I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but I think it's appropriate in the circumstances - as a certain charismatic politician was once quoted as saying "I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred".

"I am not a racialist, but, und this is a big but, we in the National Bocialist Party believe das Überleben muß gestammen sein mit der schneaky Armstrong-Jones. Historische Taunton ist Volkermeinig von Meinhead." Video

 

[transmanche]

"I am not a racialist, but, und this is a big but, we in the National Bocialist Party believe das Überleben muß gestammen sein mit der schneaky Armstrong-Jones. Historische Taunton ist Volkermeinig von Meinhead."

Some much needed mirth there.

I forgot to add this to my previous post:

Politicians. Sometimes. Lie.

 

[wintonian]

I never said you did. My initial thought was that they were upon reading this thread, I'd never heard about UKIP before so I did a bit of research and now know a bit about them, and can see that they are not racist. Learn something new every day eh

Here's a somewhat more neutral (or as neutral as reasonably possible) overview of the parties. It's from the last general so perhaps a little out of date but shouldn't be that much, although economic policy is constantly evolving ATM.

 

[Butts]

Some much needed mirth there.

I forgot to add this to my previous post:

Politicians. Sometimes. Lie.

Only sometimes ?????

 

[Eagle]

Only sometimes ?????

Well if they lied all the time, then we'd always know they were lying and work out the truth pretty quickly. By only lying some of the time, we're kept on our toes and can never be sure of the actual truth.

Because heaven forfend the public knowing all of the truth.

 

[Roverman]

I suspect that someone in the council has confused UKIP with the BNP. Which to any person who knows the first thing about the two parties is ridiculous.

I agree, this has nothing to do with politics per se but the ignorant attitudes of an overpaid idiot with illusions of grandeur.

 

[tbtc]

I'm not going to comment too much on this but it seems to me that UKIP are trying (somewhat successfully) to make out that this a simple issue (I was going to say 'black and white' issue but that obviously wouldn't fit in the wider context) and about discrimination against them and their members. In reality this is much more likely to be about the (cultural) needs of the child and how best these can be met.



Who said the social workers called the foster carers raciest? It's unlikely to be the social workers so I can only assume the foster carers are making this allegation, and it is something I find unlikely.



and it is usually a good idea to act in accordance with legal advice, and by not doing so you could be found to have acted illegally and open to0 allegations by the media (if they find out) of not looking after the interests of those in the LA's care and being negligent. - Your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't - a phrase well known by social workers and socal work managers.

The social services department are clearly not saying much and quite rightly so give the needs for confidentiality and consideration to child protection, and as such there are lot of facts we don't know.Which brings us to the question of how did the media find out? Who asked Mr Farage for a comment or was one provided without it even being asked for? The comments from the DCFS secretary and Ed Milliband are clearly a political reaction to what I suspect is a political motivated story.

Why does Nigel Farage seem to think the world (or is it just Europe) is out to get him and his party? Why does he feel the need to keep saying 'but were not raciest' and thus bringing it up in areas where race wasn't until then relevant? I sometimes think he would make a god trade union leader - crying foul at every opportunity real or otherwise.

My opinion is that you should not use individual welfare cases (social services, health education etc.) for the purpose of political point scoring.

I'm glad someone else has picked up on the background of the kids, which gives a lot fo context to the decision.

If this was the council taking children away for no other reason than the fact that they didn't like UKIP then I could understand the "persecution" that some people are claiming...

...but given that these are kids from an Eastern European background, and UKIP wants to take rights away from those from such countries/ stop allowing their culture to be promoted in the UK, that puts a slightly different spin on the "political correct lefties are all out to get us" argument.

Do you agree with every policy your party has?

Just because a party has a particular stance on a policy does not mean that A, everyone agrees with it and B, makes them bad parents.

Fostering should be done on merit, and whether or not the child can be given good home.

If hostility to immigrants/ attacking multiculturalism is a fairly major part of the UKIP agenda then I'd imagine that most UKIP members would have such an attitude.

I mean, there are some SNP members who like their policy on public transport and some SNP members who don't like their policy on public transport, but I'd expect them all to agree on Independence.

Can people who believe in taking rights from Eastern Europeans and ending multiculturalism be trusted to bring up Eastern European kids and let them learn about their own heritage?

I was not going to pass comment about the terminology "Eastern European" being used as a "blanket" coverage for all peoples from that portion of Europe, but after this phrase being used a few times on this thread, I would remind everyone that Poland (the generic country of the fostered children in this story) is a far different place than either Romania or Bulgaria.

The problem here is that we knew very little (many people seem to be unaware of anything about the kids background whatsoever - despite it being pretty important), so we don't know where in that large part of the continent they come from.

Whether its Poland or Bulgaria, I guess the kids have some right to grow up knowing about their heritage.

 

[DarloRich]

Both the government and Rotherham councillors are launching investigations.

Astonishingly the council's head of social services has said thatshe accepts UKIP is not racist but had to consider their policies, which to my mind is tantamount to an admission that she endorses mking decisions about children based on peoples political viewpoints.

It is hard to see how she can remain in her job, anyone who makes decicsions about children based on politics is clearly not a fit person to be involved in Social Work or child protection.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20476654

And it seems there is a by election in Rohterham on Thursday.

so children placed with actual racist party followers should not be "recovered" because that would be "political"? :roll:
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...but given that these are kids from an Eastern European background, and UKIP wants to take rights away from those from such countries/ stop allowing their culture to be promoted in the UK, that puts a slightly different spin on the "political correct lefties are all out to get us" argument.

But it is much easier to say they are all out to get us.

The background clearly shows why, perhaps, the decision was made. It seems hard to place children from a migrant community with supporters of a party who want to end migration and remove rights from migrants.

Can you see how that might not be the best environment to place vulnerable children of migrant heritage?

UKIP is simply a right wing, Conservative exile, Euro skeptic, little Englander, aren't foreigners a rum lot who talk funny and eat smelly food kind of party led by a bug eyed fantasist.

You are NOT the third party in British Politics nor will you ever be.

 

[yorksrob]

I'm aware that this is a tabloid story and there may be elements of it which we may not know, or it may have been simply a case of overreaction on the part of the authorities.

Being "against multiculturalism" is an unhelpfully woolly mission statement since it could encompass anything from reasonably mainstream views such as being against contentious practices like forced marriage to some fairly racist views which are hostile to any sort of cultural diversity (didn't they have a policy of banning the Burkha at one stage ?). Certainly, I think that social workers would be entirely justified in seeking a conversation with these foster parents to ascertain where they stand in this area and whether those views would be compatible with the interests of these children, although a knee-jerk removal seems unjustified to me.

Something worth remembering is that the Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties all have long standing policies which are against the UK establishing political union with, and unlimited movement between countries in America, Africa and Asia. Does this mean that their members would be automatically unsuitable for fostering children from those areas !

 

[Johnuk123]

Joyce Thacker was the principal mover in the 10 year cover-up of the Rotherham muslim sex grooming and abuse scandal.

Her priorities are clear: If you abuse girls and you're muslim we'll move heaven and earth to stop it getting out.
If you're an excellent long standing white foster parent and vote UKIP we'll crucify you.

 

[SS4]

I'm aware that this is a tabloid story

Which is probably the most depressing thing of all given the article was from the BBC, showing the depths it's sunk to in news reporting

OT I know but this article shows why it's important to not rely on domestic news. Every domestic article I've read have portrayed Cameron as a lone crusader or uniting rich Europe to fight the excesses of France especially whereas Deutsche Welle portrays Cameron as a radical on the fringe.

 

[yorksrob]

Which is probably the most depressing thing of all given the article was from the BBC, showing the depths it's sunk to in news reporting

I don't know. The Today programe's still pretty good for news I find.

 

[tbtc]

Joyce Thacker was the principal mover in the 10 year cover-up of the Rotherham muslim sex grooming and abuse scandal.

Her priorities are clear: If you abuse girls and you're muslim we'll move heaven and earth to stop it getting out.
If you're an excellent long standing white foster parent and vote UKIP we'll crucify you.

Wouldn't it be nice if everything was as simple as it appears to be to you

 

[Johnuk123]

so children placed with actual racist party followers should not be "recovered" because that would be "political"? :roll:
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But it is much easier to say they are all out to get us.

The background clearly shows why, perhaps, the decision was made. It seems hard to place children from a migrant community with supporters of a party who want to end migration and remove rights from migrants.

Can you see how that might not be the best environment to place vulnerable children of migrant heritage?

UKIP is simply a right wing, Conservative exile, Euro skeptic, little Englander, aren't foreigners a rum lot who talk funny and eat smelly food kind of party led by a bug eyed fantasist.

You are NOT the third party in British Politics nor will you ever be.

You classification of the couple as being racist and further abusive comments about the UKIP leader are insulting.

 

[transmanche]

Joyce Thacker was the principal mover in the 10 year cover-up of the Rotherham muslim sex grooming and abuse scandal.

Her priorities are clear: If you abuse girls and you're muslim we'll move heaven and earth to stop it getting out.
If you're an excellent long standing white foster parent and vote UKIP we'll crucify you.

You classification of the couple as being racist and further abusive comments about the UKIP leader are insulting.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[Johnuk123]

Wouldn't it be nice if everything was as simple as it appears to be to you

It's a fact, Rotherham councils denial of the sex abuse scandal is well documented.

 

[SS4]

It's a fact, Rotherham councils denial of the sex abuse scandal is well documented.

You implied they had prior knowledge and acquiesced in the matter. That's much more insulting than a simple denial.

UKIP are acting like leaving the EU will solve all our problems forever and a day.

 

[Oswyntail]

Which is probably the most depressing thing of all given the article was from the BBC, showing the depths it's sunk to in news reporting

OT I know but this article shows why it's important to not rely on domestic news. Every domestic article I've read have portrayed Cameron as a lone crusader or uniting rich Europe to fight the excesses of France especially whereas Deutsche Welle portrays Cameron as a radical on the fringe.

What is it with you dragging this thread off-topic? And I think you will find that there is a fair amount of support for the general line the UK is taking in Germany and around the EC, particularly among net contributors - probably because it is a realistic approach. The chief problems are the CAP - which is a French passion - and the larger of the net receivers. If you put aside the British approach, what approach would YOU recommend for stopping the EU becoming bankrupt? A topic for another thread, though.

 

[SS4]

What is it with you dragging this thread off-topic? And I think you will find that there is a fair amount of support for the general line the UK is taking in Germany and around the EC, particularly among net contributors - probably because it is a realistic approach. The chief problems are the CAP - which is a French passion - and the larger of the net receivers. If you put aside the British approach, what approach would YOU recommend for stopping the EU becoming bankrupt? A topic for another thread, though.

It's important to know that domestic media sources cannot be trusted in isolation. Especially in relation to UKIP and the EU but I'll shut up now :roll:

 

[tbtc]

It's a fact, Rotherham councils denial of the sex abuse scandal is well documented.

If it's so well documented then how come nobody has found a "smoking gun" that shows that the reason we didn't stop these pedophiles was race?

A lot of people are good at putting two and two together, but not getting four...

 

[GB]

A lot of people are good at putting two and two together, but not getting four...

You mean like supporting ukip = your automatically hold racest views?

 

[tbtc]

You mean like supporting ukip = your automatically hold racest views?

I don't think anyone is saying that, are they?

However "you support a party that wants to repatriate Eastern Europeans and wants to deny other cultures from being promoted = you might not be the best person to foster Eastern European kids", maybe that's worthy of consideration?

Much easier to think you're being victimised and that some lefties are accusing you of being a racist though