CrossCountry HST Diagrams

[43096]

+ 1. Laira has done an excellent job over the years, far better than the likes of Haymarket.

Laira have had rather longer to practice than Haymarket. And the output at Laira has dropped - it's been taking 13 months(!) to do a G exam. Used to be/should be about 4 weeks.

 

[louis97]

And your allegations against Laira are based on what?

As the other depots which are still maintaining HSTs (Haymarket and Inverness) are achieving far lower levels of reliability I’m not sure how your allegations are founded and you may wish to reconsider.

Maintaining a largely end of life fleet using obsolete parts is not an easy job. It’s been several years now since any other depot did HST maintenance (it’s been 22 months now since Neville Hill did) and in that time a number of suppliers have shutdown or no longer support HSTs.

All I'm highlighting is this isn't the first time sets have come off the depot fresh and not made it out of Devon. Totally agree with what you've said, they do a great job, although the XC sets do seem to have suffered compared to the GWR sets.

Just looking at the figures in Modern Railways and the XC sets MTIN (Miles per techincal incident) compared between period 6 from 2022/2023 and 2021/2022 shows a 19.1% drop where as the GWR sets saw a 15.1% increase. Of course that's just a snapshot of period 6.

 

[YorkshireBear]

1E75 (18:27 Plymouth to Leeds) diverted from planned diversion via Barnsley and went the normal route not calling at Wakefield Westgate, I assume to make up time as was running late. I'm slightly confused as moorthorpe line had rail replacement buses today so wondered what was being done that meant we could then get through?

I did wonder why I saw a XC set going into Laira as I passed earlier. That will be the offending set!

 

[louis97]

1E75 (18:27 Plymouth to Leeds) diverted from planned diversion via Barnsley and went the normal route not calling at Wakefield Westgate, I assume to make up time as was running late. I'm slightly confused as moorthorpe line had rail replacement buses today so wondered what was being done that meant we could then get through?

Suspect possession either finished early or was booked to be given up late Sunday evening.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Suspect possession either finished early or was booked to be given up late Sunday evening.

The one two hours before did as well was just surprised to see a possession given up so early.

 

[brad465]

1E75 (18:27 Plymouth to Leeds) diverted from planned diversion via Barnsley and went the normal route not calling at Wakefield Westgate, I assume to make up time as was running late. I'm slightly confused as moorthorpe line had rail replacement buses today so wondered what was being done that meant we could then get through?

I did wonder why I saw a XC set going into Laira as I passed earlier. That will be the offending set!

I don't know exactly why the outbound working was delayed, although at Taunton the announcement said "this is due to overcrowding", which if true, one has to wonder how bad the overcrowding would be if this wasn't a HST or 2 set voyager formation.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I don't know exactly why the outbound working was delayed, although at Taunton the announcement said "this is due to overcrowding", which if true, one has to wonder how bad the overcrowding would be if this wasn't a HST or 2 set voyager formation.

Definitely was overcrowded - someone caught it from York to Leeds instead of Sheffield due to overcrowding. Thank goodness a Voyager didn't substitute.

1V56 09:08 Edinburgh - Plymouth that was.

That needs a 9-car Voyager (410 Standard Class seats).

 

[louis97]

I don't know exactly why the outbound working was delayed, although at Taunton the announcement said "this is due to overcrowding", which if true, one has to wonder how bad the overcrowding would be if this wasn't a HST or 2 set voyager formation.

1V56 was delayed by an ill passenger at Bristol Parkway, eventually train continued to Temple Meads where they were taken off.

 

[Peterthegreat]

The one two hours before did as well was just surprised to see a possession given up so early.

I'm not sure any engineering work has taken place between Swinton and Moorthorpe over the last 3 weekends despite rail replacement buses operating and Cross Country diverting via Barnsley. Last Sunday an engineering train broke down at Wombwell and the diverted trains were diverted back to their normal route....

 

[73128]

What are the current SX diagrams please? Those at 1135 don't all appear to be running today anyway.

 

[sprinterguy]

What are the current SX diagrams please? Those at 1135 don't all appear to be running today anyway.

Both are running as usual today, just with the set on 1V44/1S51 running as a 6-car at the moment due to a defective vehicle having been removed.

43207+43303
1V44 06:11 Leeds - Plymouth
1S51 12:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh

43378+43321
1V50 06:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth
1E63 15:27 Plymouth - Leeds

 

[73128]

Both are running as usual today, just with the set on 1V44/1S51 running as a 6-car at the moment due to a defective vehicle having been removed.

43207+43303
1V44 06:11 Leeds - Plymouth
1S51 12:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh

43378+43321
1V50 06:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth
1E63 15:27 Plymouth - Leeds

Thanks. 6 car not surprisingly heading south on 1V50 today

 

[aquae39]

Just to double confirm, will all XC HSTs be completely gone after this May timetable change?

 

[yorkie]

Just to double confirm, will all XC HSTs be completely gone after this May timetable change?

Have you read that somewhere? I thought they were going in December?

 

[aquae39]

Have you read that somewhere? I thought they were going in December?

I know all the GWR ones will be gone in December, not sure for the XC ones

 

[louis97]

Just to double confirm, will all XC HSTs be completely gone after this May timetable change?

Lease expires in October, it is expected it will be around then that they will finish.

 

[aquae39]

Lease expires in October, it is expected it will be around then that they will finish.

Thank you for the information, we then still have this summer to enjoy the old machines

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Thank you for the information, we then still have this summer to enjoy the old machines

Yes, I feel sorry for the regular commuters or users of the service as HST enthusiasts are now bound to absolutely swamp the last couple of remaining diagrams.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Yes, I feel sorry for the regular commuters or users of the service as HST enthusiasts are now bound to absolutely swamp the last couple of remaining diagrams.

That’s the same with most fleets whixh finish, the doomsday enthusiasts!

 

[GWVillager]

Yes, I feel sorry for the regular commuters or users of the service as HST enthusiasts are now bound to absolutely swamp the last couple of remaining diagrams.

I’d still rather that than a single 220!

 

[Rhydgaled]

Just to double confirm, will all XC HSTs be completely gone after this May timetable change?

Have you read that somewhere? I thought they were going in December?

The following has been posted over in the speculative discussion about the XC IC125 withdrawals:

According to 'RAIL' - 2 diagrams will be retained in May followed by 1 in September. Not good when we needed the 4 diagrams said before.

Link to topic: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/cross-country-hst-withdrawals.244265/page-11

 

[43096]

Have you read that somewhere? I thought they were going in December?

I’m not sure where December comes from: the leases expire on 15 October.

 

[cragdrummer]

Hi, I'm going on a bit of a last HST bash from Cardiff to Exeter tomorrow with my 5 year old who loves cl43s (ok we both do haha!) The plan is to castle class it to Bristol TM then XC down to Exeter. Please could someone advise the best chances of a XC HST out of 1V50 and 1V52, both are currently down has HSTs on RTT but I know things can/have changed. Also we are returning hopefully using 1E67 but if that HST gets pulled, most likely we'll castle class back to Cardiff from Taunton

 

[Merle Haggard]

Any ideas why XC02 has been running short (6) for a while? Seems strange when there's so many spare sets and coaches.

 

[Train Boy]

Hi, I'm going on a bit of a last HST bash from Cardiff to Exeter tomorrow with my 5 year old who loves cl43s (ok we both do haha!) The plan is to castle class it to Bristol TM then XC down to Exeter. Please could someone advise the best chances of a XC HST out of 1V50 and 1V52, both are currently down has HSTs on RTT but I know things can/have changed. Also we are returning hopefully using 1E67 but if that HST gets pulled, most likely we'll castle class back to Cardiff from Taunton

On a Saturday, of the two, usually only 1V52 will be a HST. 1E67 will be the same set as 1V52. Hope you enjoy!

 

[GWVillager]

Any ideas why XC02 has been running short (6) for a while? Seems strange when there's so many spare sets and coaches.

I’ve heard that it was a defective vehicle causing faults. Seems strange that they haven’t found another coach/repaired the other though.

 

[louis97]

Any ideas why XC02 has been running short (6) for a while? Seems strange when there's so many spare sets and coaches.

2 of the sets are at Doncaster for overhaul (although who knows if this will be completed), so there isn't many spare coaches available.

 

[Merle Haggard]

2 of the sets are at Doncaster for overhaul (although who knows if this will be completed), so there isn't many spare coaches available.

Thanks, make sense. I only knew about 1.

 

[cragdrummer]

On a Saturday, of the two, usually only 1V52 will be a HST. 1E67 will be the same set as 1V52. Hope you enjoy!

Awesome thanks, looking forward to it

 

[Southern Dvr]

Hi, I'm going on a bit of a last HST bash from Cardiff to Exeter tomorrow with my 5 year old who loves cl43s (ok we both do haha!) The plan is to castle class it to Bristol TM then XC down to Exeter. Please could someone advise the best chances of a XC HST out of 1V50 and 1V52, both are currently down has HSTs on RTT but I know things can/have changed. Also we are returning hopefully using 1E67 but if that HST gets pulled, most likely we'll castle class back to Cardiff from Taunton

Realtime Trains | 1V44 0609 Leeds to Plymouth | 08/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1V44 0609 departure from Leeds to Plymouth on 08/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 1S51 1227 Plymouth to Edinburgh | 08/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1S51 1227 departure from Plymouth to Edinburgh on 08/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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1V52 & 1E67 had been planned to operate with an HST but the PHBT just north of Newcastle has trapped the stock in Scotland.