It’s temporary. It’s been explicitly said as that internally, even though many of us think it’s a bit much, especially on the now busier days of Friday/Saturday.
RNP?
Not sure where you see that. I see 4-5tph between Levenshulme and Manchester Piccadilly on 18/12, spread fairly evenly across the hour.
This has TPE services not calling at Normanton, Castleford and Sherburn-in-Elmet, which is problematic and contradicts the timetable on RTT.
It isnt for anyone at NR to anticipate this, it is my job as the contracted editor and I am on the case of what will be required in due time. The reason that Normanton and Sherburn in Elmet are not in the station bank is because no service has a public time at them, all times are currently shown as 'operational purposes only'. If and when those times become public stops then those stations will appear. On the other hand I did fully expect public times at Castleford from the outset, which is why it is live in the station bank, but sadly they are not yet there either. We are still at T-14, so as is often repeated in these timetable debates - it WILL change before final publication
As @BrianB stated, none of these trains include public times at the new stopping locations. If you look again at RTT, you will see no times shown for them in the GBTT column - which is the relevent entry for any public timetables. As such, there is no contradiction.
They are indeed truly appalling. I suspect the real reason is simply that the timetable was a (self imposed) last minute rush job, lacking time for proper and necessary attention to detail. In the opposite direction, the connections are good - which is genuinely a lucky coincidence.
Not everyone I'd just like to point out!
Not if the two trains are packed to the rafters and you can't board, which is exactly what used to happen when there were fewer services. I still get shudders when I think of the crapshow that was P16 at Leeds when the services were rammed. Throw in the almost guaranteed delays that the stoppers will add to the job by tripping up the fasts, and the almost inevitable cancellations as a result, and it will be just like dialling back into the "good old days" of TPE. I look forward to the pages and pages of complaints, and people suggesting an emergency emergency timetable....
I see that in many hours there are simultaneously TPE departures from Man Pic , both going to Huddersfield. No chance of passengers boarding the wrong train whatsoever.
But it's three trains per hour and since the Hull - Manc Picc service isn't overtaken by the following express there's no reason for passengers to wait.
The xx:58's are like that in the current timetable but if you want Hudds or beyond it doesn't really matter as the xx:58 Hudds stopper arrives before the xx:58 Saltburn anyway so you can just pick it up at Hudds instead.
True, however the connection from the fast xx:00 from London Kings Cross is very good!
My point is when those stoppers start to fall behind schedule, which happened a lot when Northern ran the Leeds-Wigan via Huddersfield, then faster services behind quickly catch up gaining their own delays and adding even more to the problem. At least having stoppers terminate at Huddersfield in each direction breaks up the risk.
And inevitably LNER will only offer good value Advance tickets London-Scarborough on the xx30 from KX with a longer wait at York.
This is, I suspect, the main reason behind GWRs delay in publishing. The North Downs recast was submitted and offered in normal bid/offer timescales, hence why SWR and GTR are published. However the late plan to extend the use of the Castle sets was not.
So tight at Gatwick Airport on the North Downs Line. Hardly a surprise given what it needs to fit in front of at Guildford though.
They already have a 4min turnaround at the moment but they get 3 minutes less to reverse at Redhill. It seems to work well enough, haven’t heard any commuting horror stories involving reliability on the line
Yes, but there has been quite a lot of '769 slack' in the timetable for a while now. Historically, before the timings were elongated, they had 13 minutes at Gatwick, although in those days they used to go to the sidings South of the station. Now the 769 slack is being used for extra stops.
Waterloo has 3 trains leave at the same time twice an hour throughout the day and had done this for many years, never known it to be an issue.
Yeah the running times are still 769 while the new 165 running times are remodelled. Will switch in June24.
Ah right, thanks for the insight. That is interesting to know.
