Robski
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Yet another stop on the Cambridge stopper - New Barnet. I have no idea how GTR's planning team came up with this and thought it was a good idea.
Thank you for providing links, very helpful.Looks like the timetable change has just been confirmed for December 2025, and there's a joint TOC website as well.
www.lner.co.uk/news/more-seats-and-quicker-journeys-as-new-east-coast-main-line-timetable-given-green-light/
Joint website is at:
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetable
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetableecmltimetable.info
The down Skipton service not calling at Leeds is presumably a mistake (1D26).Looks like the timetable change has just been confirmed for December 2025, and there's a joint TOC website as well.
www.lner.co.uk/news/more-seats-and-quicker-journeys-as-new-east-coast-main-line-timetable-given-green-light/
Joint website is at:
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetable
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetableecmltimetable.info
Yet another stop on the Cambridge stopper - New Barnet. I have no idea how GTR's planning team came up with this and thought it was a good idea.
Planned December 2025 timetable (changes with what I remember of the 2019 timetable)(It might have been said but there's 18 pages to look through) are the calling patterns detailed in post 24 still the one planned for next December?
Or, in other words, York / Newcastle getting 3 tph LNER instead of 2½ / 2 and Leeds going from 2 to 2½. The Glasgow, Stirling and Sunderland extentions definitely aren't happening, not sure about Huddersfield and I think 1tp2h Middlesbrough's dependent on platform 3 being built.
- Fast LNER Edinburgh services losing Darlington and some York calls
- Little change to slow LNER Edinburgh services
- Stevenage and Grantham getting hourly Newcastle services
- Lincoln services alternating with Harrogate instead of York and not calling at Peterborough
- An hourly London – Leeds running fast from Peterborough to Wakefield and to Bradford bihourly
- The other hourly London – Leeds service running fast south of Doncaster
LNER tph now
KGX SVG PBO GRA NNG DON 3.5 1.5 2.5 1.5 1.5 LDS 2 1 1 1 0 YRK 2.5 0.5 ~2 0.5 1.5 NCL 2 0 1 0 1 EDB 2 0 1 0 1
LNER tph – 2021 consultation
KGX SVG PBO GRA NNG DON 3.5 (=) 1.5 (=) 1 (-1.5) 1.5 (=) 1.5 (=) LDS 2.5 (+0.5) 0.5 (-0.5) 1 (=) 0.5 (-0.5) 0.5 (+0.5) YRK 3 (+0.5) 1 (+0.5) 1.5 (=) 1 (+0.5) 1 (-0.5) NCL 3 (+1) 1 (+1) 1 (=) 1 (+1) 1 (=) EDB 2 (=) 0 (=) 1 (=) 0 (=) 0 (-1)
Actual December 2025 timetable
KGX SVG PBO GRA NNG DON LDS YRK 3.5 (+1) 1 (+0.5) 1.5 (=) 1 (+0.5) 1 (-0.5) NCL 3 (+1) 1 (+1) 1 (=) 1 (+1) 1 (=) EDB 2 (=) 0 (=) 1 (=) 0 (=) 1 (=)
2022-3 passenger numbers (thousands)
KGX SVG PBO GRA NNG DON 384 9 23 9 7 LDS 925 45 59 30 16 YRK 704 13 46 11 25 NCL 735 13 37 4 18 EDB 994 12 40 4 19
KGX | SVG | PBO | GRA | NNG | |
DON | 3.5 (=; no / minor Grand Central / Hull Trains changes) | 1 (-0.5) | 2.5 (=) | 1 (-0.5; minor HT changes) | 2 (=) |
LDS | 2 (=) | 1 (=) | 1 (=) | 1 (=) | 1 (=) |
YRK | 3.5 (+1; no / minor GC changes) | 1 (+0.5) | 1.5 (=) | 1 (+0.5) | 1 (=) |
NCL | 3 (+1; +Lumo) | 1 (+1) | 1 (=) | 1 (+1) | 1 (=) |
EDB | 2 (=; +Lumo) | 0 (=) | 1 (=) | 0 (=) | 1 (=) |
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetable
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetableecmltimetable.info
The TransPennine Express service between Edinburgh Waverley and Newcastle will operate 8 times day each way (up from 5 times per day) from December 2025 with a service every 2 hours connecting Edinburgh Waverley, East Linton, Dunbar, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Alnmouth, Morpeth and Newcastle.
All the TPE services call at Reston according to the timetable, plus one LNER.Interesting that the following information about the TPE service between Edinburgh Waverley and Newcastle in the December 2025 timetable does not include Reston in the list of connected stations. I do not know if they just forgot to include Reston when writing this or they did not want to mention Reston or if they have decided this TPE service will no longer call at Reston. It is clear that the decision to build Reston Station was not universally popular in the railway industry.
Same reason they axed the through running from Liverpool, I believe it was deemed too great a performance risk to run it through. Splitting it means delays/cancellations aren't imparted either side of Newcastle.It’s a shame that after all this time the TPE Edinburgh to Newcastle is still a self contained shuttle
It looks like with just a very slight adjustment northbound it would line up with the TPE services that terminate at Newcastle from Manchester
Ooft - the southbound ones are even worse. Quite a few of the Skipton to Leeds departures are scheduled take a few minutes longer between Shipley and Leeds, and so just miss the LNER connection."Longer journey times between London and Airedale. Progress by LNER."
It gets better. The southbound connections are broken as well.
The December 2025 timetable will include calls at Cambridge South Station which will open early in 2026 and it appears all passenger train services including all CrossCountry, Greater Anglia, Great Northern and Thameslink services with Cambridge South Station on route will call at Cambridge South Station.The consistent message from Network Rail is that Cambridge South Station will open by the end of 2025 and it will be in late 2025. AIUI the opening of the new station is dependent on the new East Coast Mainline timetable so I assume if the new East Coast Mainline timetable is introduced on Sunday 14 December 2025 Cambridge South Station will open on the same date.
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetable
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetableecmltimetable.info
All Thameslink and Great Northern services between Cambridge and central London have provision to call at the new Cambridge South station from December 2025.
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetable
East Coast Main Line December 2025 Timetableecmltimetable.info
Cambridge South station
Outcome: New station.
Direct trains to London King’s Cross, London Liverpool Street, Stansted Airport, Ely, Kings Lynn, Peterborough, Leicester and Birmingham New Street
Status: In delivery. Estimated to open in 2026
I thought it had been decided there’s no room for it between York and Newcastle. I’m sure that’s been the explanation in the earlier threads, I don’t believe it was expected to return.No mention of bringing back Newcastle – Manchester Airport, at least by next December; is that because of TransPennine Upgrade works?
It looks like the peak stoppers that serve New Barnet mostly start from Letchworth (I saw one service starts at Royston). After Hitchin The Cambridge stoppers call at Welwyn North only. That will please those from the Cambridgeshire villages going to London but they appear to lose a direct service to Stevenage requiring a change at Hitchin. However it looks like there are no direct peak services between Cambridge and Welwyn Garden City or Hatfield. (& vv in the evening), requiring a change at Letchworth.Yet another stop on the Cambridge stopper - New Barnet. I have no idea how GTR's planning team came up with this and thought it was a good idea.
Yet another stop on the Cambridge stopper - New Barnet. I have no idea how GTR's planning team came up with this and thought it was a good idea.
Looks like a replacement of the 07:08 Leeds to Aberdeen.The old Deltic turn 0550 KGX to Aberdeen been revived!
Very strange that the new 0741 Dunbar to Edinburgh stops at Drem but not Longniddry, which is the bigger station, and has better connections by bus to the coastal villagesThe December 2025 timetable will include calls at Cambridge South Station which will open early in 2026 and it appears all passenger train services including all CrossCountry, Greater Anglia, Great Northern and Thameslink services with Cambridge South Station on route will call at Cambridge South Station.
If you have a flexible ticket, then there is every chance you will make the +9 and get to London earlier. But folk with Advances just have to stand and watch it leave, then fester.Ooft - the southbound ones are even worse. Quite a few of the Skipton to Leeds departures are scheduled take a few minutes longer between Shipley and Leeds, and so just miss the LNER connection.
Current timetable:
2H45 1347 Skipton to Leeds 1429
1A36 1445 Leeds to London King's Cross 1700
2025 timetable:
2H45 1347 Skipton to Leeds 1431 -- is therefore an invalid connection for the 1440 LNER departure
1A25 1510 Leeds to London King's Cross 1721
At least there will be lots of time to hang around in Leeds and get a coffee![]()
(From the timetables page on the ECML timetable website)The final timetable for December 2025 will be available in late summer 2025.
The information provided here is Network Rail’s and the train operators’ latest view (correct on 14 November 2024) of what the train service will be from December 2025.
Will a Skipton to Kings Cross advance purchase ticket allow to take a Skipton to Bradford service as far as Shipley and change onto a Bradford to Leeds service for a slightly longer connection time? There is also the choice of taking the once or two hours Bradford to London service from Shipley.If you have a flexible ticket, then there is every chance you will make the +9 and get to London earlier. But folk with Advances just have to stand and watch it leave, then fester.
All for the sake of a minute.