Derailment at Ramsgate (29/11/24)

[Cletus]

It’s still there.

There’s an article on the BBC website (can’t do link atm).

 

[duffield]

Link to BBC news article about recovery of the derailed 395 being postponed to the new year:

Ramsgate: Recovery of derailed Southeastern train delayed

When the train derailed, there were no passengers aboard the train and no reported injuries.

www.bbc.co.uk

Plans to move a derailed high-speed train have been postponed "into the new year".
The train, which derailed on 28 November, was travelling at a low speed in a siding at Ramsgate railway maintenance depot in Kent, according to Network Rail.
There were no passengers on board and no reported injuries.
A spokesperson for the Southeastern and Network Rail Alliance said: "We have a plan to re-rail and recover the damaged train at Ramsgate; however, given the need to use specialist equipment in order to do so, this will now be rescheduled as soon as possible in the new year."

 

[Winthorpe]

It’s still there.

There’s an article on the BBC website

Link to BBC news article

Thank you both.

 

[800001]

Link to BBC news article about recovery of the derailed 395 being postponed to the new year:

Ramsgate: Recovery of derailed Southeastern train delayed

When the train derailed, there were no passengers aboard the train and no reported injuries.

www.bbc.co.uk

Article text below

Plans to move a derailed high-speed train have been postponed "into the new year".

The train, which derailed on 28 November, was travelling at a low speed in a siding at Ramsgate railway maintenance depot in Kent, according to Network Rail.

There were no passengers on board and no reported injuries.

A spokesperson for the Southeastern and Network Rail Alliance said: "We have a plan to re-rail and recover the damaged train at Ramsgate; however, given the need to use specialist equipment in order to do so, this will now be rescheduled as soon as possible in the new year."

 

[Towers]

More time for the local ‘artists’ to redecorate it again, then!

 

[Doctor Pepper]

Went past this Monday last week, coming home from a member event at Deal Castle

Who or what is "Network Rail Alliance"?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Who or what is "Network Rail Alliance"?

It's a joint operational team between Network Rail and Southeastern.

 

[cjmillsnun]

More time for the local ‘artists’ to redecorate it again, then!

They already have

 

[renegademaster]

Ramsgate's biggest tourist attraction at moment

 

[NeilCr]

Not been

Ramsgate's biggest tourist attraction at moment

Not been to our Spoons then

 

[trainmania100]

Any gen on how the train will be recovered? Rail mounted crane and 66?

 

[Class450/4DES]

Is 395008 still there?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Is 395008 still there?

I think so... going by Open Train Times. Screenshot below shows the relevant siding as blocked.

 

[Doctor Pepper]

Is 395008 still there?

It's only four days into the new year. Give them a chance.

 

[Class450/4DES]

I think so... going by Open Train Times. Screenshot below shows the relevant siding as blocked.

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Alright, thanks!

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It's only four days into the new year. Give them a chance.

I was only asking a question out of curiosity. Chill mate...

 

[Doctor Pepper]

Alright, thanks!

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I was only asking a question out of curiosity. Chill mate...

Well, considering we already knew nothing was going to be done until the new year, expecting it to be gone in just a few days is a bit much imo.

 

[Cowley]

Looks like we may need a little bit of a sort out here so I think we’ll put a temporary lock on things before we descend into tearing lumps out of each other…

 

[Mag_seven]

Thread reopened to allow @800001 to provide an update.

 

[800001]

Thread reopened to allow @800001 to provide an update.

Thank you for reopening, Steve White the Managing Director of Southeastern has replied to a tweet about this unit,

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We are working with Network Rail and contractors to move this unit. It could not be done during the Christmas shut down due to the availability of specialist resources and cannot be removed without closing the railway. We expect the unit to be moved next month.

 

[Class15]

Thank you for reopening, Steve White the Managing Director of Southeastern has replied to a tweet about this unit,

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The replies to that comment are really interesting. I wonder, like one of the replies, why it can’t be hauled out of the siding.

 

[800001]

The replies to that comment are really interesting. I wonder, like one of the replies, why it can’t be hauled out of the siding.

It is off the track for a considerable distance I believe, not helped by a bridge being over head as well.

 

[brad465]

Looking at National Rail Enquiries, there are no obvious engineering works listed that could identify the moving date. The 2nd February has a Dover-Ramsgate closure, but still appears to permit services into Ramsgate from Canterbury West, while the following week has closures north of Ramsgate, but still permitting passage past the affected area. Late night works don't yield anything either (and I'd have thought this operation requires daylight anyway), so I'm guessing if they have to close the line I've either missed the listed closure or it's not on NRE yet.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Looking at National Rail Enquiries, there are no obvious engineering works listed that could identify the moving date. The 2nd February has a Dover-Ramsgate closure, but still appears to permit services into Ramsgate from Canterbury West, while the following week has closures north of Ramsgate, but still permitting passage past the affected area. Late night works don't yield anything either (and I'd have thought this operation requires daylight anyway), so I'm guessing if they have to close the line I've either missed the listed closure or it's not on NRE yet.

SE operate all the passenger trains in that area so its in their gift to put in a place a short term closure ans in the past they were always very accommodating when we had an infrastructure defect to deal with.

Then when ist finally retrieved it will then need inspection and attention and probably need moving by road back to Ashford for repairs so be out of use for a few months.

 

[Chriso]

I despair at the level of bureaucracy on the railway. Just move the f**king thing out of the dirt.

It really isn’t rocket science how on earth does it require a closure FFS

The sooner NR are removed the better

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

I despair at the level of bureaucracy on the railway. Just move the f**king thing out of the dirt.

It really isn’t rocket science how on earth does it require a closure FFS

The sooner NR are removed the better

If it could be dragged out then it would have been as thats was the easiest method of recovery but the leading vehicle is beached in the undergrowth beyond the buffers which will provide a lot of resistance with a risk, albeit small, of the vehicle overturning. Thus it needs a crane to lift it and that can only operate from the adjacent line hence the need for a closure. As i said above this is in SE gift and also NR Kent route are suppose to be in some sort of joined at the hips so you would have thought they would have expedited. Maybe they after a Kirow crane and there all tied up on committed engineering works at weekends currently which is their prime role.

 

[Horizon22]

The sooner NR are removed the better

Which would achieve what? The specialist engineers are still going to be on contract to GBR or whoever.

It is a bit embarassing it's been this long, but perhaps Southeastern don't desperately need the stock, would rather not have a block and are genuinely waiting for a team. Although a cold Sunday Feburary is probably the best sort of time to do it.

 

[renegademaster]

What's the stock availability like for class 395s? Are they missing it much?

 

[Horizon22]

What's the stock availability like for class 395s? Are they missing it much?

Looking back through their Twitter/X account, they've had a few 6v12 car services over the past 2 weeks, but doesn't look too dramatic.

 

[ChristopherJ]

According to my sources, the plan is to drag it out with a road-rail vehicle (RRV) as a tractor, but underframe components beneath the 395 need to be unscrewed or welded off before this can happen. The train is solidly indented into the ground.

Can't use a crane because if you notice the position of the photos and video's, there's a ruddy pedestrian bridge above it!

Regardless, the amount of time this is taking is an absolute laughing stock.

 

[brad465]

The latest RAIL edition has a small section on this, with the following report:

The Class 395 Javelin unit that went through the end of a siding in late November is still awaiting removal.

The electric multiple unit (395008) overshot the siding at the western end of Ramsgate maintenance depot on November 28.

A planned recovery on December 28-29 was postponed due to resource constraints, and no new removal date has been arranged.

A Southeastern spokesman told RAIL that to prevent further disruption, the priority is "to try and match the recovery to an existing block in the area."

While the unit remains out of action, three Southeastern services each day run as a single six-carriage train, rather than two units making a 12-car formation.