thats not actually a fact though is it lets be honest
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DOO on Northern and general discussion on future staffing arrangements
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thats not actually a fact though is it lets be honest
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thats not actually a fact though is it lets be honest
Im afraid it is based on my observations !! 1 guy I shared a staff train with the other week was exceedingly bitter.....
But like I said, i ve no issues.....one of them sorted out an minor issue for me without any prompting after I had only mentioned it in passing
1 guy does not represent the rank and file though
I just mentioned that in passing......I can assure you that there is a lot of resentment towards ours.
There is a simple solution as far as unpopular union reps are concerned, vote them out at the next election !
As for diagrams, as long as they are legal in terms of complying with CRI (Northern), the reps cannot reject them. The fatuige index is a tool that is useful, but reps have had no training on how to understand or implement it, although I believe the company are willing to look into this issue.
As for diagrams, as long as they are legal in terms of complying with CRI (Northern), the reps cannot reject them. The fatuige index is a tool that is useful, but reps have had no training on how to understand or implement it, although I believe the company are willing to look into this issue.
let me guess your going to say next that the majority of guards at your depot are actually in favor of DOO and hate the union for trying to protect their jobs
Yeah right lol.....just like turkeys vote for xmas !! You would be surprised how many are realistic though.....I m fully expecting the application for driving roles from guards to increase dramatically ....including me!!!
oh im realistic in that I know Its going to take a while to bring about DOO across the whole network but I wont retire from being a guard and have considered by options . But I dont agree with it either .
Im still unsure about going driving though not to mention with the assessments to be a driver nothing is a foregone conclusion .
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this is the funny thing its all just based on your expectations and experiences none of what you say is fact
Im still unsure about going driving though not to mention with the assessments to be a driver nothing is a foregone conclusion .
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Yeah right lol.....just like turkeys vote for xmas !! You would be surprised how many are realistic though.....I m fully expecting the application for driving roles from guards to increase dramatically ....including me!!!
this is the funny thing its all just based on your expectations and experiences none of what you say is fact
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oh im realistic in that I know Its going to take a while to bring about DOO across the whole network but I wont retire from being a guard and have considered by options . But I dont agree with it either .
Im still unsure about going driving though not to mention with the assessments to be a driver nothing is a foregone conclusion .
No its not but its certainly a very viable option ( of course dependent on passing the tests in the first place )
let me guess your going to say next that the majority of guards at your depot are actually in favor of DOO and hate the union for trying to protect their jobs
I would say by the end of the next franchise ( 2024-2026) Guards will be gone more or less on the Northern franchise, once the 15x and 14x stock is life expired I think the traditional role of Guard will be finished, sadly.
oh im realistic in that I know Its going to take a while to bring about DOO across the whole network but I wont retire from being a guard and have considered by options . But I dont agree with it either .
Im still unsure about going driving though not to mention with the assessments to be a driver nothing is a foregone conclusion .
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this is the funny thing its all just based on your expectations and experiences none of what you say is fact
No - I said based on my observations.....whether you believe me or not is up to you.
I m fully expecting the application for driving roles from guards to increase dramatically ....including me!!!
No - I said based on my observations.....whether you believe me or not is up to you.
your expecting it based from speaking to a few guards from one depot
which does not make it a fact . Guards have always applied to be drivers anyway , even when their jobs have been safe .
as for driving , Im not sure if I want to go driving . There are some aspects of the job which are particularly attractive but im yet to decide if i could see myself doing it everyday .
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tend to agree with you there .I would say by the end of the next franchise ( 2024-2026) Guards will be gone more or less on the Northern franchise, once the 15x and 14x stock is life expired I think the traditional role of Guard will be finished, sadly.
your expecting it based from speaking to a few guards from one depot
which does not make it a fact . Guards have always applied to be drivers anyway , even when their jobs have been safe .
as for driving , Im not sure if I want to go driving . There are some aspects of the job which are particularly attractive but im yet to decide if i could see myself doing it everyday .
Oh hang one.....I thought you were referring to the bit about Union reps being despised !!
Oh no you have your observation form speaking to one person on one staff train one day to back that up .that is quite clearly a fact .
I ll just re iterarate this ....... From my observations at depot, the Union reps are despised by the rank and file. As I mentioned as well , 1 guy I shared a staff train with was very vociferous in his opposition.
Got it ?
Younger hands maybe. And at your depot maybe. But the overwhelming majority of those with more than a few years service are quite happy with the LLC and have shown that support vociferously at several branch meetings where the younger hands have attempted to depose the LLC and challenge the status quo.
the world wouldn't stop revolving but the world would be a much worse place for working people , not just on the railway as well
Not so sure about that ....but hey everyone to their opinion.
Moonshot, what attracted you to working on the Railway ?
The fact that I had gotten deskbound in previous roles and began to despise it....
yeah so you might be able to question some of what unions say and do . Even myself as a union member from prevvious occupations have questioned what they say and do sometimes but some of the things we take for granted would not have happened but for strong and brave union movements in the past . Regardless of political persuasion today you cant disagree with basic things like compensation payment for injuries at work , women having the vote and a minimum wage
Okay so some stuff like the miners strike and general strike you could question all day long . But look at the Fire brigade union strikes at the moment for a example of unions trying to do better for people . Do you want to be pulled out of a burning building by a 65 year old fireman ? no me either
Unless you are further right than thatcher in your thinking you have to acknowledge that some of the things unions have done and are doing for people are important
Okay so some stuff like the miners strike and general strike you could question all day long . But look at the Fire brigade union strikes at the moment for a example of unions trying to do better for people . Do you want to be pulled out of a burning building by a 65 year old fireman ? no me either
Unless you are further right than thatcher in your thinking you have to acknowledge that some of the things unions have done and are doing for people are important
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Did the decent salary and quality rest periods have anything to do with it ?
the rest periods I only found out about when I joined.....as far as salary goes, i actually earned a lot more 10 years ago......had bigger outgoings then though.
So do you think Guards are underpaid ?
No - its easy role.
I particularly like the fact we can earn 5% on tickets.....I do like an incentive and in fact has been a feature of previous employment, though that was more based on share options......
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