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Beestons always have and continue to do a substantial amount of school work including quite a few private schools and have an excellent reputation in terms of that. They also and continue to do private hire work for a number of companies.

The 91 is currently two buses a day for most of the day operating the timetable, there's one bus that does Hadleigh to Ipswich shorts that has fairly quick turnaround times at Hadleigh, it's only waiting about 5-10 minutes or so before turning around and the first trip of the morning from Hadleigh is normally heading straight back out after arriving in Ipswich according to bustimes.

I guess we will see what happens. There was talk of Beestons getting a bunch of Euro 6 deckers a few months ago, apparently they were supposed to be arriving April/May but there is no sign of them yet. Whether that is a sign of things to come and them possibly finishing that side of the business and it going out to Ipswich Buses remains to be seen.

But I can tell you, should Beestons stop serving the 91, the service provided will not be any better by Ipswich Buses, who have the depot at the wrong end of the route which will include a lot more dead running back from Hadleigh in the evening to Ipswich and the opposite in the morning and probably will mean that the Sudbury end of the route will be completely chopped.

The thing about Beestons is their maintenance is excellent (go look at their 18-19 year old Omnidekkas in the white livery that put fleets under half their age to shame), the services are reliable and they do everything in their power to make services run, even when others simply just take the easy option to cancel. I can't see someone like First etc giving as much of a damn about places like Hadleigh or Sudbury as Beestons, who lets not forget are one of the countries oldest bus companies who are run by Hadleigh people.
 
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Beestons always have and continue to do a substantial amount of school work including quite a few private schools and have an excellent reputation in terms of that. They also and continue to do private hire work for a number of companies.

The 91 is currently two buses a day for most of the day operating the timetable, there's one bus that does Hadleigh to Ipswich shorts that has fairly quick turnaround times at Hadleigh, it's only waiting about 5-10 minutes or so before turning around and the first trip of the morning from Hadleigh is normally heading straight back out after arriving in Ipswich according to bustimes.

I guess we will see what happens. There was talk of Beestons getting a bunch of Euro 6 deckers a few months ago, apparently they were supposed to be arriving April/May but there is no sign of them yet. Whether that is a sign of things to come and them possibly finishing that side of the business and it going out to Ipswich Buses remains to be seen.

But I can tell you, should Beestons stop serving the 91, the service provided will not be any better by Ipswich Buses, who have the depot at the wrong end of the route which will include a lot more dead running back from Hadleigh in the evening to Ipswich and the opposite in the morning and probably will mean that the Sudbury end of the route will be completely chopped.

The thing about Beestons is their maintenance is excellent (go look at their 18-19 year old Omnidekkas in the white livery that put fleets under half their age to shame), the services are reliable and they do everything in their power to make services run, even when others simply just take the easy option to cancel. I can't see someone like First etc giving as much of a damn about places like Hadleigh or Sudbury as Beestons, who lets not forget are one of the countries oldest bus companies who are run by Hadleigh people.
Beestons may have had a lot of school work in the past but not now. They only have about have a dozen school routes left. Some are commercial and some are Suffolk County Council contracts.

The timetable shows a 40 minute stand time at Sudbury and 45 minutes at Ipswich, For the short journeys 5 minutes at Hadleigh and 45 minutes at Ipswich.

School Routes

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316
338
340
RC7
SC091(part of 91 service)
 
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Beestons may have had a lot of school work in the past but not now. There only have about have a dozen school routes left. Some are commercial and some are SCC contracts

The timetable shows a 40 minute stand time at Sudbury and 45 minutes at Ipswich, For the short journeys 5 minutes at Hadleigh and 45 minutes at Ipswich

School Routes

314
316
338
340
RC7
SC091(part of 91 service)

They also have the 716 and also a number of private school runs, including Ipswich High School and Colchester Royal Grammar School and they do a fair bit of school trip work as well.

They did lose a few Ipswich School routes, but Ipswich School have gone down an odd way of contracting their routes out recently with the addition of a middleman to actually procure the routes which is somewhat strange.

In relation to the 84C, yes it's being cancelled but you can't run a bus subsidy free these days which struggles to make double figures in passenger numbers.
 

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They did lose a few Ipswich School routes, but Ipswich School have gone down an odd way of contracting their routes out recently with the addition of a middleman to actually procure the routes which is somewhat strange.
Are you able to elaborate on that? Is it through places like Kura?


I hate these school bus middlemen. Putting themselves into an area where they're not needed.
 

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Are you able to elaborate on that? Is it through places like Kura?


I hate these school bus middlemen. Putting themselves into an area where they're not needed.
Yeah, it's Kura in the case of Ipswich School (private, fee paying)

Yeah, it's Kura in the case of Ipswich School (private, fee paying)
From what I heard, Ipswich Buses very much benefitted from this and smaller companies less so.
 
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From what I heard, Ipswich Buses very much benefitted from this and smaller companies less so.
These sorts of firms often have favourites and it also depends which 'smaller companies' are signed up to the agency. This is the issue with middlemen. The smaller companies often don't sign up because they don't know how to. They don't check the portals often enough for new work (they want it handed to them on a plate) or the agency works off 'if you won't take the poorer work, why should we give you the better work' and as such, smaller firms come off worse.


Least when it goes through the council, it all goes out at once and you do the paperwork and stuff then you've got the contract for a few years then. Middlemen often contracts are shorter so they can try and get cheaper prices all the time. Really not a good model.
 

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Looks like the Beestons love affair with Omnidekkas is not over after all!

Ahead of the widely expected summer clearout of Scania N94UD Omnidekkas, replacements have started to arrive with 2010 plate ex Nottingham City Transport Scania N230UD Omnidekka 993 and 996 being the first to arrive.

Reports of up to 10 vehicles in total due.

Update 25/06
Ex NCT 2010 plate Scania N230UD Ominidekkas 994 and 995 also arrived at Beestons depot in the last 24 hours. .

Beestons have now listed 2006 Scania N94UD Omnicity Double deck FHJ 565 for sale.
 
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Mention on Roger French’s blog comments section of Ipswich Buses relinquishing Colchester tenders to First and Hedingham (?)
Yes; latest Notices & Proceedings confirms Ipswich Buses have de-registered their Essex County Council contracts 4/11 (Colchester) and 2/2A (Clacton). First Essex have registered the 4/11 but can’t see anything from anyone for the 2 yet so unsure who’s won that tender.

Elsewhere Arriva are having a reshuffle in Southend at the end of July. Service 1 split into two and reductions on the 29. Details - including maps and timetables already available.

The first vehicle into ‘Shuttles’ livery for First Essex. Very smart and refreshing; only niggle is the “into town” branding when Chelmsford (and Colchester) are both now cities.

 
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Unidentified Konect Bus enviro 400 destroyed by a fire in Norwich yesterday.


About 20 passengers escaped unhurt after their bus caught fire in Norwich.

The double-decker caught fire in Thorpe Road shortly after 9am this morning.

The bus was evacuated quickly and all of the passengers taken to safety.

Firefighters were able to put the flames out in about 40 minutes.

An investigation into what caused the fire is underway.

About 20 passengers escaped from the bus unhurt.
About 20 passengers escaped from the bus unhurt.
Credit: Victoria Leggett
Speaking to the Eastern Daily Press, Shaun Tooth, interim managing director for Konnectbus, said: "The good news is that everyone was okay and no injuries were reported.

"We think there were around 20 passengers but the driver did a good job of evacuating the bus when the alarm was raised.

"We cooperated with police, fire and ambulance crews on site

"We will be investigating the cause of the fire, but we do not know at this stage. We will also be reporting it to the DVSA."
 
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Unidentified Konect Bus enviro 400 destroyed by a fire in Norwich yesterday.

Using the time honoured tradition of checking on bustimes, it would look like KB604 was working a 5B and stopped its journey just after 9 at Thorpe Road so suggest it's that one :D

Yes; latest Notices & Proceedings confirms Ipswich Buses have de-registered their Essex County Council contracts 4/11 (Colchester) and 2/2A (Clacton). First Essex have registered the 4/11 but can’t see anything from anyone for the 2 yet so unsure who’s won that tender.

Elsewhere Arriva are having a reshuffle in Southend at the end of July. Service 1 split into two and reductions on the 29. Details - including maps and timetables already available.

The first vehicle into ‘Shuttles’ livery for First Essex. Very smart and refreshing; only niggle is the “into town” branding when Chelmsford (and Colchester) are both now cities.

I'd imagine that it's Hedingham with the Clacton one
Clearly based on the Lowestoft and Ipswich liveries.
The template is one that was originally used for South Wales but has since been adopted for Coastal Reds (Yarmouth and Lowestoft) as well as Ipswich. It looks good IMHO and even better, they've actually given the vehicle an internal refresh - note the retrimmed seats elsewhere on the same flickrstream https://www.flickr.com/photos/46986413@N07/52185577735/in/photostream/
 
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Possibly rare sighting of the year!

Just coming out of Ipswich station and seen that Beestons have an open top Omnidekka on the 91 heading to Hadleigh.

Catch it whilst you can! I believe the duty it is on covers all the Hadleigh to Ipswich and vice versa shorts up until the 14.15

 
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East Norfolk Bus Blog reporting First Ipswich are receiving a newer intake of B7RLE’s… they certainly look smart internally! I wonder if they have any plans to start replacing the ALX400’s too?

 

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Don't look like they need much of a refurbishment to be honest, but for sure a repaint is needed to match the Ipswich Reds livery.

Beestons have now listed the following N94 Scania Omnidekkas in normal bus spec in the blue 'Nurse' livery for sale and they are said to be withdrawn from service.

YN54 OAH
YN54 OBX
YN54 OCJ
YN55 NJZ
YN55 NDY
MX06 LDN

The following N94 OmniDekkas in hybrid spec with seatbelts that were repainted into the 'Doctor' livery and re-registered last summer remain for the time being.

523 FN (ex YN03 DDA)
524 FN (ex YN54 OBB)
526 FN (ex YN05 HFY)
NSV 371 (ex MX04 MYY)
NSV 372 (ex MX04 MYW)
 

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Beeston's have rebranded their 91 bus service between Ipswich Hadleigh and Sudbury. The service is now called bus91.co.uk with the slogan, ‘The greener way to travel’.
Four of their new double deck Scanias have this new branding as announced on Facebook today.
 
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Apparently the registrations of the ex NCT (Nottingham City Transpo) Omnidekkas are:

BUS 91A
BUS 91B
BUS 91C
BUS 91D

Seems they probably spent more money on the cherished matching plates than they did on the website which is very spartan and the livery, which from their Facebook pages, looks like NCT Lime Line with a Bus91.co.uk logo slapped in place of the route branding.
 
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There's now a new multi-operator ticket for the whole of Norfolk:


The day ticket allows passengers to use all buses run by all bus operators across Norfolk and is an ideal solution for those who want to use buses to explore much further afield.

The Norfolk Fusion Day ticket costs just £12 for an adult, £9 for a young person (5-19 years) or £22 for a group (2 adults 3 young people) and can be purchased on board the bus or via the Konectbus app

There's not really much publicity on it. Konectbus and the Norfolk County Council are the only ones I've found to have said anything about it. Also leaves some questions unanswered such as is it valid on services that originate in Norfolk to their terminus in another county.
 

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There's now a new multi-operator ticket for the whole of Norfolk:




There's not really much publicity on it. Konectbus and the Norfolk County Council are the only ones I've found to have said anything about it. Also leaves some questions unanswered such as is it valid on services that originate in Norfolk to their terminus in another county.

Hmm, looks like it's a relaunch of the old Fusion ticket that used to cover Norwich and surrounding areas, with it now covering all of Norfolk.

You're right about publicity, although it only seems to have been announced today so it may gather pace. Hopefully that will then answer the crossing the county border question, along with the 'can mobile tickets in one operator's app be used on all operators' one (I'd expect so with regards to the latter, but confirmation would be nice).

There's been some work going on in the background though - the new Fusion ticket has been added to the First app too, so they're going to have to say something at some point.
 

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Hmm, looks like it's a relaunch of the old Fusion ticket that used to cover Norwich and surrounding areas, with it now covering all of Norfolk.

You're right about publicity, although it only seems to have been announced today so it may gather pace. Hopefully that will then answer the crossing the county border question, along with the 'can mobile tickets in one operator's app be used on all operators' one (I'd expect so with regards to the latter, but confirmation would be nice).

There's been some work going on in the background though - the new Fusion ticket has been added to the First app too, so they're going to have to say something at some point.
A little late for me - could've done with that a week or more ago!

Wonder what the rules are for cross boundary routes to places like Lowestoft?
 
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Found the page hidden on the First website, looks like it's valid to Peterborough.


Sold and accepted by every operator on any service that operates entirely within Norfolk or starts or finishes in Norfolk (without a change of bus) this ticket is ideal for when you're planning a great day out by bus all across our amazing county.
Norfolk Fusion Day Tickets are available for purchase and valid on the full length of First Eastern Counties services that cross into other counties: Excel, Charcoal Line 40|41|X41, Coastlink X1|X11 & X2|X21|X22, Coastal Clipper 1|1A

Also found it on the tickets page on the Lynx website and on the MyTrip app for Coach Services, however not for Sanders. I've had a few issues with Sanders drivers accepting Lynx issued Coast day tickets in the past so hopefully the drivers are aware of this ticket.
 

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East Norfolk Bus Blog reporting First Ipswich are receiving a newer intake of B7RLE’s… they certainly look smart internally! I wonder if they have any plans to start replacing the ALX400’s too?

One on the Ipswich park and ride today.

Don't look like they need much of a refurbishment to be honest, but for sure a repaint is needed to match the Ipswich Reds livery.

Beestons have now listed the following N94 Scania Omnidekkas in normal bus spec in the blue 'Nurse' livery for sale and they are said to be withdrawn from service.

YN54 OAH
YN54 OBX
YN54 OCJ
YN55 NJZ
YN55 NDY
MX06 LDN

The above are now no longer listed as being for sale.....

Apparently the registrations of the ex NCT (Nottingham City Transpo) Omnidekkas are:

BUS 91A
BUS 91B
BUS 91C
BUS 91D

Seems they probably spent more money on the cherished matching plates than they did on the website which is very spartan and the livery, which from their Facebook pages, looks like NCT Lime Line with a Bus91.co.uk logo slapped in place of the route branding.

The above four double deck vehicles have now been listed for sale, despite being badged and plated bought especially for the 91 service just a few weeks ago. Two of them have only done a few days service, one of them has done a few weeks and one hasn't entered service at all.

Very strange series of events to be honest to see those NCT deckers being moved on so soon.
 
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Beestons bus91.co.uk former Nottingham deckers are now all up for sale via their Facebook PSV page. They probably have been in temporary use as they only changed logos. These have only been around for last couple of months.
 
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Perhaps they have figured their length and/or resulting fuel consumption isn't as good as they hoped?

Beestons had experience with the N230UD chassis before with two ex demo OmniCity double deck vehicles and an Omnidekka on the same chassis but they didn't keep them long and ended up acquiring more N94UD based Omnidekkas, so maybe it's similar here?

Their whole rebrand to bus91.co.uk was based around New Euro 6 Low Emission buses. It seems strange to rebrand a service around a bunch of vehicles only to list them for sale a few weeks later, especially when they've gone through the trouble of buying cherished plates for them. That doesn't seem like a company who only planned them to be temporary from the outset, more one that has seen something since they've been in service which has made them feel the vehicles aren't suitable.

According to bustimes.org
BUS 91A has only done three days of service
BUS 91B hasn't turned a wheel in service at all.
BUS 91C has done one day of service.
BUS 91D has done 15 days of service.

The fact that they've removed the batch of 54 and 55 plate Omnidekkas from sale at the same time suggests that they might be coming back into use on the 91 which is a shame because certainly the new vehicles look an upgrade from the photos published. Not sure how they can carry on with branding the service as 'Bus91.co.uk - the Greener way to travel' with Euro 3 vehicles between 17 to 18 years old. Perhaps they may have something else coming in?
 
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You're right - I reckon I think they have realised that these newer buses were a mistake, but you would think they should have known this from previous experience. They must have a back up plan - maybe they are acquiring new deckers as of September. The Enviro 400’s have been good on the route.
 
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Do please remember to provide sources for any information that you post. "It has been reported elsewhere" should be accompanied by a link to and a quote from your source. Thanks :)
 

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Little update with Beestons.

Two of the four ex Nottingham City Transport Scania N230UD Omnidekkas have left the fleet. BUS 91D remains in service on the 91 daily, but BUS 91C, despite still being with Beestons, hasn't seen service for a few weeks and is believed to be sold pending collection. Apparently one of the ones that left had terrible ride quality.

Ex Menzies Scania Omnilink YT11 LPY has joined the fleet and is likely to be re-registered soon to one of the plates vacated by the ex NCT Omnidekkas.

ADL Enviro 400 SK20 AUU has left the fleet, as has Scania Ominicity Double Deck FHJ 565.
 
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Little update with Beestons.

Two of the four ex Nottingham City Transport Scania N230UD Omnidekkas have left the fleet. BUS 91D remains in service on the 91 daily, but BUS 91C, despite still being with Beestons, hasn't seen service for a few weeks and is believed to be sold pending collection. Apparently one of the ones that left had terrible ride quality.

Ex Menzies Scania Omnilink YT11 LPY has joined the fleet and is likely to be re-registered soon to one of the plates vacated by the ex NCT Omnidekkas.

ADL Enviro 400 SK20 AUU has left the fleet, as has Scania Ominicity Double Deck FHJ 565.
Any idea what maybe replacing them? I think BUS91D was the best bus they had out of the four. I rode on BUS91A and it was awful with a very noisy engine and it rattled a lot, not to mention it was an uncomfortable ride. Hopefully they will bring in some better buses.
 
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