East Yorkshire Motor Services, now part of Go-Ahead

[dodecahedron67]

Are the E200MMCs then allocated onto 81s? As the double deckers can't run down to Castle Howard with the low arches.

Allox is everything is an E200MMC except the middle of the day 80.

82/83 interwork with 182

81 and 194 interwork

80 college and 31X interwork

All M-F notices. Unsure of Sat

 

[stevieinselby]

I noticed yesterday that double deckers were being used on the North Riding 80. It felt a bit unnecessary given that there were 5 people on my outbound journey and 3 on the inbound (including myself in both cases). I understand why they need a double decker on the college services but not on a Saturday service. Any reason for this?

It's down to what vehicles are available. The North Riding group of services will need the same number of buses on a Saturday as during the week – and the Pocklington depot is also running the Wolds Explorer 200 at weekends which uses up another single decker. Pocklington has 10 single deckers (8 E200MMCs and 2 B8RLEs), covering the 12, 18, 31X, 80, 81, 82/83, 182, 194, 200 and 747, which on a Saturday is 12 diagrams, so the 80 and 747 have double-deckers even though no route really needs them.

 

[BoroAndy]

Rammed full single deckers on the Coaster 13 route again today. What is going on? Where are the double deckers?

 

[stevieinselby]

Rammed full single deckers on the Coaster 13 route again today. What is going on? Where are the double deckers?

7 of the 9 buses out on the 12 and 13 today are double-deckers, mostly Coaster branded.

 

[GusB]

This was published earlier today. Could this be connected with the speculation about East Yorkshire running to Selby?

East Yorkshire crosses the border with new North Riding brand

East Yorkshire Buses has branched into North Yorkshire with seven routes which are operating as the North Riding brand.

www.route-one.net

East Yorkshire Buses has branched into North Yorkshire with seven routes which are operating as the North Riding brand.

The Go-Ahead subsidiary is collaborating with North Yorkshire Council to replace services previous run by Reliance Buses and York and Country Buses. Among the North Riding fleet will be two new buses.

The routes, which were launched earlier this month, will pass some of North Yorkshire’s best scenery and serve attractions and locations such as Castle Howard, Ripon Malton, Kirkbymoorside and Vangarde Retail & Leisure Park.

According to Go-Ahead, the aim is to “create an efficient and optimised bus network in North Yorkshire that meets the needs of local communities, enables people to remain active and independent, and provides excellent customer service with simple payment and ticketing options”.

Among the highlights, the 80 service will replace Reliance’s 29 and link Raskelf with York via a new timetable. The 81, which will replace York and Country’s Castle Line, will connect Malton with Castle Howard and York.

 

[Leedsbusman]

This was published earlier today. Could this be connected with the speculation about East Yorkshire running to Selby?

Probably not!

 

[YorkRailFan]

This was published earlier today. Could this be connected with the speculation about East Yorkshire running to Selby?

East Yorkshire crosses the border with new North Riding brand

East Yorkshire Buses has branched into North Yorkshire with seven routes which are operating as the North Riding brand.

www.route-one.net

Not really, it's a tendered service by North Yorkshire County Council and is a sub-brand of East Yorkshire. Like York Locals.

 

[Seehof]

What are these 2 new buses that are mentioned?

 

[Eyersey468]

What are these 2 new buses that are mentioned?

They could mean the 22 plate MMCs or they could mean the 2 new single decks due in September

 

[SCH117X]

Not really, it's a tendered service by North Yorkshire County Council and is a sub-brand of East Yorkshire. Like York Locals.

And so far generally a complete shambles with services late, missing or going way off route. If the tracking data on bustimes is correct for yesterday one vehicle failed at 1443
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/eyms-0289?date=2024-04-26#journeys/571400894 on a 56, sorry 182, from Knaresborough to Ripon.
A number of workings of both the 182 and 82 appear to have been were missed until another vehicle finally arrived from Pocklington after 4 hours to work a pretty pointless 1854 Boroughbridge-Green Hammerton service that should have started at Ripon.
https://bustimes.org/services/82-york-ripon/vehicles?date=2024-04-26#journeys/571530897
There is a 1905 Boroughbridge-York anyway.
These services are pretty marginal and an incompetant operator will simply drive what few passengers there are to the car.

And they are tendered by North Yorkshire Council; the County Council has not existed since the end of March 2023 and I understand repsonsiblility for bus services will transfer to the York and North Yorkshire Combined Authority.

 

[Fox192]

They could mean the 22 plate MMCs or they could mean the 2 new single decks due in September

More single decks, shouldn’t they be getting double deck?

 

[YorkRailFan]

More single decks, shouldn’t they be getting double deck?

There's a double decker on 80s apart from when an E200mmc is used on the First and Last services of the day.

 

[Fox192]

There's a double decker on 80s apart from when an E200mmc is used on the First and Last services of the day.

I mean for hull

 

[Eyersey468]

More single decks, shouldn’t they be getting double deck?

Possibly but that is what has been ordered, I don't know the exact vehicle type though

 

[Mollman]

I mean for hull

If you are meaning the electric buses, September is a bit too early for them to arrive

 

[stevieinselby]

This was published earlier today. Could this be connected with the speculation about East Yorkshire running to Selby?

East Yorkshire crosses the border with new North Riding brand

East Yorkshire Buses has branched into North Yorkshire with seven routes which are operating as the North Riding brand.

www.route-one.net

Unlikely. They've been using "Scarborough Locals" (previously Scarborough & District), "Goole Locals" and "York Locals" for routes operating entirely outside East Riding for some time, this is just the logical extension of that ... I can completely see why they wouldn't want to run under the moniker "East Yorkshire" for routes that don't even touch East Yorkshire!

(That press release was very reminiscent of those written by a certain Mr A Hornby ... trumpeting all these huge new services, but in fact all they've changed is that the commuter journey between Raskelf and York now runs all year round, rather than term-time only between Raskelf and Linton ... everything else is basically the same as when Transdev and Reliance ran the routes apart from some timings being tweaked and more drivers getting lost...)

 

[SCH117X]

What I do not get in particular is the 0640 SX York-Kirk Hammerton (arr 0657 then empty to Knaresborough) and a 0701 Kirk Hammerton-Boroughbrdge - why not run the latter from York and have other working just going to Knaresborough empty all the way. Its as if they want to double charge anyone going York-Boroughbridge.

North Riding really doesn't make much more sense than East Yorkshire in Ripon and Knaresborough which were in the West Riding.

 

[BoroAndy]

What I do not get in particular is the 0640 SX York-Kirk Hammerton (arr 0657 then empty to Knaresborough) and a 0701 Kirk Hammerton-Boroughbrdge - why not run the latter from York and have other working just going to Knaresborough empty all the way. Its as if they want to double charge anyone going York-Boroughbridge.

North Riding really doesn't make much more sense than East Yorkshire in Ripon and Knaresborough which were in the West Riding.

And of course "North Riding" doesn't exist anymore, it's North Yorkshire. Maybe with hindsight they would have branded all services in North Yorkshire as just that, including Scarborough, which doesn't seem to have enough double deckers, at least while School contracts are running.

 

[Delenn]

And of course "North Riding" doesn't exist anymore, it's North Yorkshire. Maybe with hindsight they would have branded all services in North Yorkshire as just that, including Scarborough, which doesn't seem to have enough double deckers, at least while School contracts are running.

It's a pun. Riding around in buses in North Yorkshire. Quite clever really, and not to be taken too seriously.

 

[Mollman]

Unlikely. They've been using "Scarborough Locals" (previously Scarborough & District), "Goole Locals" and "York Locals" for routes operating entirely outside East Riding for some time, this is just the logical extension of that ... I can completely see why they wouldn't want to run under the moniker "East Yorkshire" for routes that don't even touch East Yorkshire!

(That press release was very reminiscent of those written by a certain Mr A Hornby ... trumpeting all these huge new services, but in fact all they've changed is that the commuter journey between Raskelf and York now runs all year round, rather than term-time only between Raskelf and Linton ... everything else is basically the same as when Transdev and Reliance ran the routes apart from some timings being tweaked and more drivers getting lost...)

I think you'll find that Goole is in East Yorkshire

 

[SCH117X]

It's a pun. Riding around in buses in North Yorkshire. Quite clever really, and not to be taken too seriously.

Really? Clear as mud if thats the case. North Yorkshire Rider would be clearer if they met that.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I'm not clear why folks are getting so concerned about the accuracy of North Riding. It is less inappropriate than East Yorkshire, and as @Delenn says, it isn't to be taken literally.

Since time began, we've had operations that aren't strictly correct through fluidity of boundaries or acquisitions. Goole has been mentioned... historically the local operator was Lincolnshire Road Car, who also operated in Newark (Notts). Or for several years after 1974, we had West Yorkshire Road Car with depots in Grassington, Skipton, Pateley Bridge and Harrogate. Or Tees (and District) running around the Esk Valley in Whitby. It could almost be trivia thread in itself.

 

[HullRailMan]

Really? Clear as mud if thats the case. North Yorkshire Rider would be clearer if they met that.

It’s branding on a bus that 99% of users won’t care about - does it really matter?

 

[Leedsbusman]

It’s branding on a bus that 99% of users won’t care about - does it really matter?

If ‘mattering’ was a criteria for posting on a forum there would be much less content!

 

[WibbleWobble]

North Yorkshire Rider would be clearer if they met that.

I wonder if that my cause legal problems with First, given they are the successor to Yorkshire Rider (and may still own the rights to that name).

 

[dodecahedron67]

I wonder if that my cause legal problems with First, given they are the successor to Yorkshire Rider (and may still own the rights to that name).

FirstYork definitely still own the Rider York legals

The social club is called Rider York Social still!

 

[SCH117X]

Forget the name wonder how long before North Yorkshire Council revokes the contracts. Todays pm 82 including a school service driver forgot at call at Boroughbridge High School, not realising until getting to Ripon
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/eyms-0276?date=2024-05-01#journeys/573529443
with a consequential knock on of the 1615 Ripon-Knaresborough running over half a hour late.
Its one shambles after another from them.

 

[Fox192]

Forget the name wonder how long before North Yorkshire Council revokes the contracts. Todays pm 82 including a school service driver forgot at call at Boroughbridge High School, not realising until getting to Ripon
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/eyms-0276?date=2024-05-01#journeys/573529443
with a consequential knock on of the 1615 Ripon-Knaresborough running over half a hour late.
Its one shambles after another from them.

Exactly what you should expect with anything go ahead runs

 

[HullRailMan]

Forget the name wonder how long before North Yorkshire Council revokes the contracts. Todays pm 82 including a school service driver forgot at call at Boroughbridge High School, not realising until getting to Ripon
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/eyms-0276?date=2024-05-01#journeys/573529443
with a consequential knock on of the 1615 Ripon-Knaresborough running over half a hour late.
Its one shambles after another from them.

So, everyone still got picked up with a delay of around 30 minutes - hardly earth shattering stuff. Suggesting a contract might be revoked is definitely on the melodramatic side.

 

[Cesarcollie]

Forget the name wonder how long before North Yorkshire Council revokes the contracts. Todays pm 82 including a school service driver forgot at call at Boroughbridge High School, not realising until getting to Ripon
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/eyms-0276?date=2024-05-01#journeys/573529443
with a consequential knock on of the 1615 Ripon-Knaresborough running over half a hour late.
It’s one shambles after another from them.

Obviously the management and supervisors didn’t have time to sit in their armchairs studying bustimes for hours on end…..