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LNW-GW Joint said:
The linked map in the LNER advice on alternative routes does show the WCML to Scotland.
I also think TPE Manchester-WCML-Scotland is specifically mentioned in the advice somewhere.
But at least some ECML services soon to be restored seemingly.
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It’s shows to Scotland as it is a standard map for disruption, the LNER website which links to this map clearly states

  • Avanti West Coast between London Euston and Manchester
  • TransPennine Express between Manchester, Leeds and York / Newcastle
 
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I have been on a rescue train, moving passengers off a failed train. It took a surprisingly long time to get a train full of people through 1 door and walked down our train. With shunting forward and back to a detrainment point, it was probably 90 minutes - plus the delay we already suffered.
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The issue isn't the time it takes to evacuate the train but how long its left stranded before they start that task. Dealing with stranded trains is an issue that both RAIB and ORR have shone a spotlight on recently and how its managed. Im sure in this case the underlying issue will be lack of resources to deal with the incident and its probably correct to have dealt with the DOO trains 9J55, 1T41 and 2C55 first. However, with 1A41 being partly within the platforms confines at Hitchin you would have thought that would have been relatively easy to deal with as it would have had several traincrew onboard along with the Hitchin platform staff. However, Im surmising these resources aren't PTS trained so not allowed to get involved unlike London Underground where they support the driver to evacuate trains down the tunnels.

None of this is criticism of the staff involved who have to operate with their hands tied behind their backs these days and i initially said I feel for LNER staff they barely get a week of "a boring day at work" recently.

PS: can't see an update of what they did with 1A41 in the end?
 
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1A09 departing Peterborough, will be held before Hitchin awaiting line open.

1Y11 and 1A15 will also run through to King’s Cross. Both held in platforms north of Hitchin awaiting hand back.

Once lines open at Hitchin, all lines except Up slow will be available for use.

Plan is still for 10:00 am hand ack. .
 
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1A09 0715 Leeds to Kings Cross just left Peterborough. First one to go through..
 
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Nicholas Lewis said:
The issue isn't the time it takes to evacuate the train but how long its left stranded before they start that task. Dealing with stranded trains is an issue that both RAIB and ORR have shone a spotlight on recently and how its managed. Im sure in this case the underlying issue will be lack of resources to deal with the incident and its probably correct to have dealt with the DOO trains 9J55, 1T41 and 2C55 first. However, with 1A41 being partly within the platforms confines at Hitchin you would have thought that would have been relatively easy to deal with as it would have had several traincrew onboard along with the Hitchin platform staff. However, Im surmising these resources aren't PTS trained so not allowed to get involved unlike London Underground where they support the driver to evacuate trains down the tunnels.

None of this is criticism of the staff involved who have to operate with their hands tied behind their backs these days and i initially said I feel for LNER staff they barely get a week of "a boring day at work" recently.

PS: can't see an update of what they did with 1A41 in the end?
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1A41 was thunderbird hauled back to platform 3 at Peterborough where it still sits.
It will shunt from that platform to another and form 1D16.

08:57 Up fast, down slow and down fast handed back.
 
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Don't worry everyone, our new Rail Minister and GBR will have it all sorted out in a jiffy.
 
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800001 said:
1A41 was thunderbird hauled back to platform 3 at Peterborough where it still sits.
It will shunt from that platform to another and form 1D16.

08:57 Up fast, down slow and down fast handed back.
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Good news..
 
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What’s the plan with 1A45 (91124)? I was on this yesterday and thankfully managed to avoid most of the disruption.

Furthermore, pax in front were issued an unpaid fare notice to Kings Cross, so I do wonder if there’s much point in them paying that now given that they’ll likely get their money back under delay repay, unless of course delay repay isn’t valid on UFN’s.
 
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800001 said:
1A41 was thunderbird hauled back to platform 3 at Peterborough where it still sits.
It will shunt from that platform to another and form 1D16.
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One of the worst delayed trains with passengers on board in a long time I suggest.
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08:57 Up fast, down slow and down fast handed back.
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Good start going to have restring the Up Slow and get it re registered presumably overnight?
 
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Good news..
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Actually apologies, unsure where 1A41 actually returned to, may of been PBO or may of gone to Leeds.

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What’s the plan with 1A45 (91124)? I was on this yesterday and thankfully managed to avoid most of the disruption.

Furthermore, pax in front were issued an unpaid fare notice to Kings Cross, so I do wonder if there’s much point in them paying that now given that they’ll likely get their money back under delay repay, unless of course delay repay isn’t valid on UFN’s.
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This set is due to form 1D16 Peterborough to Leeds.
 
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It has been stated on TOC disruption pages that lines are not expected to reopen until midday. I’d suspect trains still showing that they are running from KGX before then will either be altered/cancelled at short notice.

It would be so useful starting/terminating some services from LST and running via CBG in this disruption but sadly LNER have only done this once as a test run so I very much doubt it will be happening at all.
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Even if there was platform space at Liverpool Street, trying to fit any extra services down the West Anglia Main Line is....at best unlikely and at worst impossible from my understanding of its capacity.
 
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Even if there was platform space at Liverpool Street, trying to fit any extra services down the West Anglia Main Line is....at best unlikely and at worst impossible from my understanding of its capacity.
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You won't be getting any trains down there. There is theoretically extra capacity but this won't be allowed because of the level crossings at Cheshunt, Enfield Lock and Brimsdown
 
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Nicholas Lewis said:
Im sure in this case the underlying issue will be lack of resources to deal with the incident and its probably correct to have dealt with the DOO trains 9J55, 1T41 and 2C55 first. However, with 1A41 being partly within the platforms confines at Hitchin you would have thought that would have been relatively easy to deal with as it would have had several traincrew onboard along with the Hitchin platform staff
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I believe you are talking about 1T51, which looks like it was stopped within Hitchin Station, and is still sitting there now.
 
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Actually apologies, unsure where 1A41 actually returned to, may of been PBO or may of gone to Leeds.
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This from the individual who posted a picture of 1A41 in the confines of Hitchin Stn yesterday then posted this probably when they got power back to charge the phone.

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https://x.com/aliko_thomas/status/1822006225422446814

Its a class 91 interior in the attached picture and that coach is at least lightly loaded.

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Nicholas Lewis said:
This from the individual who posted a picture of 1A41 in the confines of Hitchin Stn yesterday then posted this probably when they got power back to charge the phone.

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https://x.com/aliko_thomas/status/1822006225422446814

Its a class 91 interior in the attached picture and that coach is at least lightly loaded.

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1A41 was hauled back north by a thunderbird..as 1F41. It did appear to stop at St Neots alongside 1D36 maybe for passengers to transfer across, but 1F41 then went forward to Peterborough before 1D36, arriving there some 8 hours after it left on 1A41!
 
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1A59 Bradford Int - KGX seems to have gone straight through the affected area on the Up Fast - I’m assuming on diesel?
 
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