EMR Class 170 updates

[QSK19]

Have any of the remaining 16 units at WMR moved to EMR following a few of the 196 units entering service?

No, although I would have thought some are due soon. Post #1,433 alludes to transfers starting this coming week.

I was under the impression that it was going to be a one-in-one-out arrangement in terms of 196 introduction and 170 cascade. I believe three 196s are now running; so 3x 170s should have come across by now?

 

[43102EMR]

No, although I would have thought some are due soon. Post #1,433 alludes to transfers starting this coming week.

I was under the impression that it was going to be a one-in-one-out arrangement in terms of 196 introduction and 170 cascade. I believe three 196s are now running; so 3x 170s should have come across by now?

Would be 6, given the 3 that are running are 4 cars. But if they’re gradually increasing the diagrams, I would imagine that a whole lot of them would move all at once.

 

[43055]

170272 is showing as being out today starting with the 1445 Derby to Crewe.

 

[LowLevel]

156414 and 156418 have departed this morning, there's a path in tomorrow for a Tyseley to Barrow Hill move that is presumably the next 170 departure from there.

The pressure now is to get the 156s out to create room to commission and service the 170s - Etches Park and Eastcroft are both full.

 

[170UTD]

156414 and 156418 have departed this morning, there's a path in tomorrow for a Tyseley to Barrow Hill move that is presumably the next 170 departure from there.

The pressure now is to get the 156s out to create room to commission and service the 170s - Etches Park and Eastcroft are both full.

Here is said path: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05298/2022-11-14/detailed
I wonder how many units it'll be, just one or 2/3 coupled together?

 

[43096]

156414 and 156418 have departed this morning, there's a path in tomorrow for a Tyseley to Barrow Hill move that is presumably the next 170 departure from there.

The pressure now is to get the 156s out to create room to commission and service the 170s - Etches Park and Eastcroft are both full.

I thought 156414 went last month?

EMR class 156s for Northern

All be with no tray tables on the airline seats Northern 156s with Chapman seats do have tray tables. It’s the 150s with Chapman seats that don’t.

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[170UTD]

I thought 156414 went last month?

EMR class 156s for Northern

All be with no tray tables on the airline seats Northern 156s with Chapman seats do have tray tables. It’s the 150s with Chapman seats that don’t.

www.railforums.co.uk

Probably means 404

 

[LowLevel]

I thought 156414 went last month?

EMR class 156s for Northern

All be with no tray tables on the airline seats Northern 156s with Chapman seats do have tray tables. It’s the 150s with Chapman seats that don’t.

www.railforums.co.uk

404 it is

 

[Liam L]

Not sure it’s been mentioned yet, path for tomorrow for a WMR 170 to transfer across.

Realtime Trains | 5E27 1001 Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 14/11/2022

Real-time train running information for 5E27 1001 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 14/11/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Six seems rather a lot. Currently there's only one or two per day being used on Hereford via Worcester services. The awful 172s have taken over relentlessly.

I think it’s 3-4 170s used on the Worcester side per day (someone with better knowledge will be able to confirm), meaning there be a few spares to cover for maintenance

 

[anamyd]

Nice photos. I see it has signs at both ends that look like the non-multi ones, but it looks like they say more than just non-multi. I wonder if they say something about the different couplers?

Did anyone manage to see what these signs say on 170922?

 

[LowLevel]

Did anyone manage to see what these signs say on 170922?

They say Dellner coupler, or words to that effect.

 

[Ilovetrains43]

is 170 421 still 171 201?

 

[43102EMR]

is 170 421 still 171 201?

For now yes - will be renumbered when it transfers to EMR next year.

 

[Pippy1505]

170508/509 5E27 1001 Tyseley-Barrow Hill Mon 14/11/22
170514 5M57 1013 Tyseley-Etches Park Fri 18/11/22

 

[anamyd]

How many / which 170s will EMR have by Friday the 18/11/22?

10 ex-WMR
4 ex-TfW (170270/271/272/273)
2 ex-Southern (170922/923)
plus 4 or 5 ex-ScotRail 170/4s?

so 20 or 21 170s?

 

[43102EMR]

How many / which 170s will EMR have by Friday the 18/11/22?

10 ex-WMR
4 ex-TfW (170270/271/272/273)
2 ex-Southern (170922/923)
plus 4 or 5 ex-ScotRail 170/4s?

so 20 or 21 170s?

22 - 5 ex-SR, 10 ex-WMR, 4 ex-TfW and 3 ex-SN.

 

[Mzzzs]

It may be me but has anyone seen the stickers on the corners of some of the passenger windows stating that a refresh is coming soon, I am sure they are a new thing? or are they old?

 

[Spirit555]

170508/509 5E27 1001 Tyseley-Barrow Hill Mon 14/11/22
170514 5M57 1013 Tyseley-Etches Park Fri 18/11/22

Confirm 170508/09 on 5E27 today by a reliable source.

 

[LowLevel]

It may be me but has anyone seen the stickers on the corners of some of the passenger windows stating that a refresh is coming soon, I am sure they are a new thing? or are they old?

They've been there for 2 years and are on the 5 x 170/4s

 

[43102EMR]

It may be me but has anyone seen the stickers on the corners of some of the passenger windows stating that a refresh is coming soon, I am sure they are a new thing? or are they old?

Specs have since changed - no more FISA lean seats, just topped-up moquette and power sockets.

 

[Liverpool 507]

Specs have since changed - no more FISA lean seats, just topped-up moquette and power sockets.

No doubt because of the DfT 'cost saving'?

 

[43102EMR]

No doubt because of the DfT 'cost saving'?

Indeed - personally I find the current seats to be ok on the 170s, the real crime is keeping the 360 interior the same…

 

[anamyd]

Specs have since changed - no more FISA lean seats, just topped-up moquette and power sockets.

Not even seat refoaming?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Indeed - personally I find the current seats to be ok on the 170s, the real crime is keeping the 360 interior the same…

Shameful.

 

[rjames87]

Specs have since changed - no more FISA lean seats, just topped-up moquette and power sockets.

Has that been confirmed now? For both 170s and 360s?

 

[43102EMR]

Has that been confirmed now? For both 170s and 360s?

Yes - per a recent edition of Modern Railways. There’s an interview with EMR’s head of fleet that states this.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Yes - per a recent edition of Modern Railways. There’s an interview with EMR’s head of fleet that states this.

So loathesomely lazy

 

[Mugby]

Forgive my ignorance but how does Barrow Hill fit into these stock movements?

Is work being done there or are the sidings being used as a temporary holding point for some transfers?

 

[anamyd]

Forgive my ignorance but how does Barrow Hill fit into these stock movements?

Is work being done there or are the sidings being used as a temporary holding point for some transfers?

Temporary holding point I think. For example, on the ex-TfW 170270+271+272 move to EMR, 170270+170272 went straight to Etches Park but 170271 carried on to Barrow Hill due to lack of space at Etches Park.

 

[43074]

So loathesomely lazy

More that the DfT won't sign off the extra cost of a refurbishment with the new seats. As far as the 170s are concerned there's not much wrong with the seats they have now anyway, sure the ScotRail seat moquette is looking tired on those units but there's nothing wrong with the seats themselves.

Forgive my ignorance but how does Barrow Hill fit into these stock movements?

Is work being done there or are the sidings being used as a temporary holding point for some transfers?

Barrow Hill is being used for short term storage because of space limitations at Etches Park and Eastcroft depots.