TheBigD
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No they don't. Buffet was removed and extra seats added around 2004/5 and the guards compartment a few years after that.
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No they don't. Buffet was removed and extra seats added around 2004/5 and the guards compartment a few years after that.
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GWVillager
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Well not today obviously, but at the time of introduction passenger numbers were probably below their current levels, so it likely made more sense.
dk1
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In the case of 201-208 it was part of the franchise contract to provide all facilities as operating Intercity services hence the high provision of first class. This lasted until the end of that franchise in February 2004 & started to be removed later that year. I have worked countless 6 and 9-car formations where catering had to be replicated in every unit. Only needed 1 guard though.
GWVillager
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Ah, makes sense, thanks.
SuperLuke2334
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With the last 170 from WMR due to transfer on the 26th of May, when is it likely that that final one will be withdrawn from use with WMR ready for transfer to EMR?
170UTD
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Probably one or two days before. That's at least how EMR have done it with their 156s going to Northern
SuperLuke2334
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Thanks
317 forever
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I don't know the exact fleet sizes but reckon that a majority of 170s are already with EMR or destined there.
170UTD
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Yes they are.
There is 2 to come from WMT, 3 from TfW and 1 from GTR (although that last one is a bit fluid yet)
Warrior2852
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I must say it is surreal every time I go into Nottingham station and I see so many 170s that are Southern or Transport for Wales designs in all but a small logo on the carriage side saying EMR.
satisnek
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I had a day out with a Lincolnshire Day Ranger (from Nottingham) recently and one journey was on a 170 in EMR livery but still with its old London Midland interior. It was a bit like meeting an old friend you haven't seen for a while!
TT-ONR-NRN
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Sort of how I felt when riding on a TFL Rail 360 about a year after all the SWR 450s were refurbished with blue leather and cloth seats! The 360 had stolen the old South West Trains moquette so it was like going back in time a couple of years!
All part of the messy shambles of the TOC that is EMR.
Don’t forget the Scotrail, London Midland, Greater Anglia, Stagecoach EMT and until the timetable changes Anglia Railways and First Group interiors too!
Next year will be the year, apparently. 810s in (and they do look very smart) and the 158s and 170s go for their refurbishment. Still no formal update on the 360s.
Shambles isn't the right word I think - the TOC is at least basically functioning unlike several others.
Warrior2852
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Personally the main issue I have with EMR is the often short intercity services that get overcrowded as a result. But for the most part I would say they're doing reasonably well, pretty much all of the trains I get with them are on time (and I use them quite a lot). Certainly to the average passenger it won't matter to them if the train is a different colour, inside or outside.
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Baxenden Bank
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Those of us without a full service for four summers (2020 to 2023) may disagree.
Trainbike46
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The point is true though; while things at EMR certainly aren't perfect, they didn't have the massive mess that existed at Avanti (now fortunately mostly resolved) and still exists at TPE.
fgwrich
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Briefly mentioning the former Hull Trains batch for a moment, the buffet may be long gone but there are still traces on the Ceiling if you know where to look - eg, the outline of the discoloured panels
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I think you need to give this whole "EMR is a shambles" claim a rest! It's frankly getting tiring hearing the same comment and does not contribute to this discussion.
EMR is by no means perfect but credit where credit is due that they actually do operate a semblance of a service. Yes, COVID-19 put a spanner in the works and not able to provide a service which they could've reliably operate but there is sense of normality returning. I'd be very happy once the 2tph between Nottingham and Mansfield if that gets reinstated, every hour Leicester to Lincoln (there are still gaps in the current timetable), Crewe to Newark Castle (again, same story as Leicester to Lincoln) and the full restoration of Nottingham to Matlock services.
As someone why relies on EMR to visit my parents in Lincolnshire and having to connect at Nottingham (which I will be moving back to in a year's time), they are not perfect and the Class 170s have decidedly seen better days but I'm happy to see them back within the East Midlands where they were in abundance during the Central Trains era.
Agreed!
Happy to hear a refurbishment is finally on the cards.
The 170s are decent trains but they have been hard worked and EMR have a right hotch pitch. A decent refurb and they will be at least as good as 195s or 196s.
Liam L
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Last day was Friday. 196s have took over the diagram now.
Unsure on when there due to move from Tyseley, 26th on the table?
170UTD
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The last 2 WMT 170s are coming across on the 26th
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Realtime Trains | 5E27 1015 Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 26/05/2023
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1015 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 26/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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170202 appears to have been reliveried into full EMR Regional livery https://twitter.com/mattstacey93/status/1661834010564108294?s=46&t=OVBeHmSfWKqJzdritfYDMA
170UTD
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Yes it has. Here's a terrible picture of it on Eastcroft the other day.
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170505 & 170506 just passed Small Heath 1020.
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Realtime Trains | 5E27 1015 Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 26/05/2023
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1015 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 26/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Jacob Porrett
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End of an era then. No more 170s in the West Midlands after (insert years here) then. Shame there was no farewell tour. That would have been good.170505 & 170506 just passed Small Heath 1020.
Realtime Trains | 5E27 1015 Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 26/05/2023
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1015 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 26/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
dereksingh291
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Are they the final two former WMR units going over to EMR?170505 & 170506 just passed Small Heath 1020.
Realtime Trains | 5E27 1015 Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 26/05/2023
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1015 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 26/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Jacob Porrett
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Yes they are.