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This all looks good, provided conditions allow, the trains that I was thinking of using are all 125s,:D northbound 1334, 1434, 1534 and southbound 1345, 1445, 1545
 
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This all looks good, provided conditions allow, the trains that I was thinking of using are all 125s,:D northbound 1334, 1434, 1534 and southbound 1345, 1445, 1545
There is a pretty strong chance that the set will be used as planned - always a risk of a fail and a swap to a Meridian, but generally that is unusual. Obv if you have a flexible ticket (not Advance) you can just wait for next train in the expectation that that's an HST. It's worth the wait after all!
 

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When are the HSTs due to finish running out of St Pancras? Will they still be running in 2021...
 

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When are the HSTs due to finish running out of St Pancras? Will they still be running in 2021...
No date has been said. At the moment the dispensation on all sets run until the 31st December so they can't run into 2021 yet. It is likely that the ex LNER sets will continue into 2021 and the May timetable change.
 

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No date has been said. At the moment the dispensation on all sets run until the 31st December so they can't run into 2021 yet. It is likely that the ex LNER sets will continue into 2021 and the May timetable change.
Cheers. I didn't realise how much I'd miss them on the GWR out of Paddington - until they'd gone. It'd be nice to get some out of London before they go altogether :)
 

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Cheers. I didn't realise how much I'd miss them on the GWR out of Paddington - until they'd gone. It'd be nice to get some out of London before they go altogether :)
The 1st phase of reduced use is likely to co-incide with when the ex Hull Trains 180s come into service on the Midland Main Line (under test at the moment) - which are intended to replace the diagrams operated by the shorter, buffered HST sets (ex Grand Central HSTs, which have a former 1st class coach for standard class passengers as Coach D) if I understand the plan correctly. If this goes as planned that will take out a modest number of HST runs each day, and reduce the number of HSTs EMR need to use.
 

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Cheers. I didn't realise how much I'd miss them on the GWR out of Paddington - until they'd gone. It'd be nice to get some out of London before they go altogether :)
Yes, it was really nice to be able to go on HST 125s both ways on a recent trip to Nottingham earlier this month.
 

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anyone have the VP185 power car diagrams, need to see the last 3 before the VP 185s are gone forever on passenger services on the MML
 

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anyone have the VP185 power car diagrams, need to see the last 3 before the VP 185s are gone forever on passenger services on the MML
There's no specific diagrams for them. They can appear on any of the Neville Hill 2+8 diagrams.

Not quite sure why there's the desperation now, though. Those three have been dedicated Midland power cars for the last 30 years!
 

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There's no specific diagrams for them. They can appear on any of the Neville Hill 2+8 diagrams.

Not quite sure why there's the desperation now, though. Those three have been dedicated Midland power cars for the last 30 years!
im farely new to the hobby and i just want to go on all the VPs with emr, all i need now is Neville Hill and then i have travelled on them all from STP to NOT
 

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Looking to find the HST departures from St. Pancras on Sunday 13th December. Thanks.
 

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Looking to find the HST departures from St. Pancras on Sunday 13th December. Thanks.
Anything to or from Leeds will be a HST. These being the 1444, 1842 and 2041 departures on the 13th. Not sure on the other services yet as the number of HSTs reduce from the timetable change.
 

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Taken from a group on Facebook these look to be the diagrams for Weekdays: Back to 9 sets out on Weekdays.

2+8 Sets:
1D07 0704 London to Nottingham
1B28 0945 Nottingham to London
1D58 1734 London to Nottingham

1C11 0531 Sheffield to London
1F63 1819 London to Sheffield

1C22 0746 Sheffield to London
1D28 1134 London to Nottingham
1B48 1345 Nottingham to London
1D53 1634 London to Nottingham
1B74 1845 Nottingham to London

1B23 0634 Leeds to London
1D23 1034 London to Nottingham
1B43 1245 Nottingham to London
1D48 1534 London to Nottingham
1B69 1745 Nottingham to London
1F70 2001 London to Leeds

1C13 0600 Sheffield to London
1F68 1935 London to Derby

1C15 0519 Leeds to London
1D18 0934 London to Nottingham
1B38 1145 Nottingham to London
1D43 1434 London to Nottingham
1b63 1645 Nottingham to London
1D66 1904 London to Leeds

1B09 0532 Nottingham to London
1D13 0834 London to Nottingham
1B33 1045 Nottingham to London
1D38 1334 London to Nottingham
1B58 1545 Nottingham to London
1D64 1834 London to Leeds

1B16 0711 Nottingham to London
1D33 1234 London to Nottingham
1B53 1445 Nottingham to London
1D90 1719 London to Derby

2+6 Set:
1C98 0731 Derby to London
1D21 1005 London to Nottingham
1C52 1400 Sheffield to London
1M40 1650 London to Corby
1P41 1837 Corby to London
1F72 2031 London to Derby

Can someone confirm if these are still current? Thanks.
 

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Will any be based at Derby or Cricklewood from December?
Derby is likely. Someone posted on the ex LNER thread that there will be a Saturday Derby diagram which would suggest that there will be at least one in the week as well. Cricklewood will be highly unlikely except for during the day which most diagrams look like they will do.
 

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So basically am I to understand that the 20th December online EMR timetables are incorrect in that on first glance, the same services as now, are denoted as HST eg. xx34 Nottingham's, 1005, 1904, 2001, 2031, 2200 etc etc out of St Pancras?

It does not look like the timetable bod has been told HST's are being reduced.
 

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So basically am I to understand that the 20th December online EMR timetables are incorrect in that on first glance, the same services as now, are denoted as HST eg. xx34 Nottingham's, 1005, 1904, 2001, 2031, 2200 etc etc out of St Pancras?

It does not look like the timetable bod has been told HST's are being reduced.
Yes the timetable PDF's/Book are wrong but I wonder if these are picked up by the timing loads as they are still pathed as HST's in real time trains.

By the looks of things these are the diagrams from the 13th. Thanks to @louis97 for filling in the gaps on the ex LNER HST thread last week:
Weekdays:
AM1: ECS Leeds to Sheffield then 0600 Sheffield - London, ECS to Cricklewood
AM2: 0519 Leeds - London via Derby, ECS to Cricklewood
AM3: 0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood
AM4: 0711 Nottingham - London, ECS to Cricklewood
AM5: 0731 Derby - London, ECS to Cricklewood

PM1: ECS from Cricklewood, 1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM2: ECS from Cricklewood, 1434 London - Nottingham, 1645 Nottingham - London, 1904 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM3: ECS from Cricklewood, 1534 London - Nottingham, 1745 Nottingham - London, 2001 London - Leeds via Derby
PM4: ECS from Cricklewood, 1650 London - Corby, 1837 Corby - London, 2031 London - Derby
PM5: ECS from Cricklewood, 1734 London - Nottingham

Saturdays:
AM1: 0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood
AM2: 0740 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood

PM1: ECS from Cricklewood, 1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM2: ECS from Cricklewood, 2002 London - Leeds via Derby

3: 0745 Nottingham - London, 1034 London - Nottingham

Sundays:
1: 0950 Leeds - London via Nottingham, 1455 London - Leeds via Derby
2: 1050 Leeds - London via Derby, ECS Cricklewood, 2040 London - Leeds via Derby
3: 1434 Leeds - London via Derby, 1835 London - Leeds via Derby
4: 1649 Sheffield - London, 2000 London - Nottingham
 

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Thanks for revised diagrams so the 1734 ends at Nottingham? The last couple of weeks it has done the 1945 to St Pancras and 2200 return.
 

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If the above diagrams are correct and the HST fleet is to be used so infrequently going forwards what was the point in getting the ex LNER fleet? It seems that they are only just starting to come through in meaningful numbers when they're about to spend most of the day sat in sidings.
 

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Thanks for revised diagrams so the 1734 ends at Nottingham? The last couple of weeks it has done the 1945 to St Pancras and 2200 return.
Yes it goes back to Etches Park. Platform numbers suggests that the 1705 from London splits to form the 1912 and 1945 to London.
If the above diagrams are correct and the HST fleet is to be used so infrequently going forwards what was the point in getting the ex LNER fleet? It seems that they are only just starting to come through in meaningful numbers when they're about to spend most of the day sat in sidings.
because the dft thought it was a good idea as they are slightly more PRM compliant than the ex EMT stock. The ex LNER stock were not in a good state hence it has taken a long time to get them in service.
 

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Thanks 43055 best to make the most of the 2200 before it goes. Tonight it is 43423 NL03 43302 to get me home.
 

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Would anyone know if 1D21 10:00 STP-NOT is a HST on the 13th December?
 

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Would anyone know if 1D21 10:00 STP-NOT is a HST on the 13th December?
Either a 180 or 222 I think. The diagrams are posted on post 51 for 13th onwards (not sure if they are 100% correct).
 

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Yes the timetable PDF's/Book are wrong but I wonder if these are picked up by the timing loads as they are still pathed as HST's in real time trains.

By the looks of things these are the diagrams from the 13th. Thanks to @louis97 for filling in the gaps on the ex LNER HST thread last week:
Weekdays:
AM1: ECS Leeds to Sheffield then 0600 Sheffield - London, ECS to Cricklewood
AM2: 0519 Leeds - London via Derby, ECS to Cricklewood
AM3: 0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood
AM4: 0711 Nottingham - London, ECS to Cricklewood
AM5: 0731 Derby - London, ECS to Cricklewood

PM1: ECS from Cricklewood, 1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM2: ECS from Cricklewood, 1434 London - Nottingham, 1645 Nottingham - London, 1904 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM3: ECS from Cricklewood, 1534 London - Nottingham, 1745 Nottingham - London, 2001 London - Leeds via Derby
PM4: ECS from Cricklewood, 1650 London - Corby, 1837 Corby - London, 2031 London - Derby
PM5: ECS from Cricklewood, 1734 London - Nottingham

Saturdays:
AM1: 0634 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood
AM2: 0740 Leeds - London via Nottingham, ECS to Cricklewood

PM1: ECS from Cricklewood, 1834 London - Leeds via Nottingham
PM2: ECS from Cricklewood, 2002 London - Leeds via Derby

3: 0745 Nottingham - London, 1034 London - Nottingham

Sundays:
1: 0950 Leeds - London via Nottingham, 1455 London - Leeds via Derby
2: 1050 Leeds - London via Derby, ECS Cricklewood, 2040 London - Leeds via Derby
3: 1434 Leeds - London via Derby, 1835 London - Leeds via Derby
4: 1649 Sheffield - London, 2000 London - Nottingham

Looks like a complete disaster then. Glad I don't use EMR anymore.
I hope there's enough meridians to double everything up on a Sunday...
 

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RIP 43073 (Neville Hill 42 years) and 43049 (Neville Hill), 49 has around 5-6 days left, 73 was axed today after it ran out of miles, Only 1 Vp185 left, RIP MML
 
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