CarrotPie
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What is your favourite Electrostar and why?
Ah! It's on there now.Where is the gautrain electrostar?
I like the 357s and use them regularly. l don't like the 2+3 sections. The 387s are good at what they do. I use them daily.357 for me, I prefer the Chapman seats they have to the seats fitted to the other classes (with the exception of 379 first class!).
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What is your favourite Electrostar and why?
Because it's in the Motor Composite, as opposed to a Driving Motor Composite? That's on the Southeastern 375/6/7/8s too, since they were refurbished up at Deby in 2017.Also the first class is in an odd position on the 387s.
No, on a 387 it is at the inner end of the driving car because of the odd positioning of the partition. Presumably the original idea was the other end would be first class but that was deemed overprovision.Because it's in the Trailer Composite, as opposed to a Driving Motor Composite? That's on the Southeastern 375/6/7/8s too, since they were refurbished up at Deby in 2017.
Ah! Now that is odd!No, on a 387 it is at the inner end of the driving car because of the odd positioning of the partition. Presumably the original idea was the other end would be first class but that was deemed overprovision.
Because it's in the Trailer Composite, as opposed to a Driving Motor Composite? That's on the Southeastern 375/6/7/8s too, since they were refurbished up at Deby in 2017.
No, on a 387 it is at the inner end of the driving car because of the odd positioning of the partition. Presumably the original idea was the other end would be first class but that was deemed overprovision.
You say that it is a bit strange but that area on the Connex spec units actually has the best layout of 16 seats with the best spacing in the unit.Having said that, the Southeastern positioning as you describe is also a bit strange.
Indeed, there is enough space for an extra row of seats than the magical 12 seats behind the driver's cab. The last time I went on one of them (about 3 years ago now), I don't remember them having a partition door except for the standard gangway one. Also, the 375/3s (also Connex spec) still have First in a DMC, not in the motor.You say that it is a bit strange but that area on the Connex spec units actually has the best layout of 16 seats with the best spacing in the unit.
You say that it is a bit strange but that area on the Connex spec units is actually has the best layout of 16 seats with the best spacing in the unit.
First Class isn't under the pan, for the reason you suggest. It is in the other coach.Personally I wouldn’t like to be under the pan due to the lower ceiling, and being in the centre it means there will be people walking through (I realise in a gangwayed unit this is hard to avoid).
Connex or SE being loathed here?Strange for such a loathed toc to have that train of thought.
The green moquette came later. As built the second batch of 357s had a purple cloth fitting that easily stained - something similar was fitted by Prism to the Stansted 317/7s. They were retro fitted with the green moquette fitted to the first batch but without any changes to any of the other internal fittings.I always liked the class 357 LTS interior , with different shades of green, later units has a weird hybrid of pink panels and green seats, probably due to the late c2c brand change.