First Class Vestibules

[Khss]

Virgin Trains are usually ok about letting you sit/stand in the FC vestibule, I've never had a problem with it before.

As for standing for ages, at Christmas I had to stand Leeds-Banbury despite booking a seat as the train was so full I couldn't actually get out of the vestibule and into the carriage!

 

[CosherB]

So, everyone else has to get crushed in the vestibules so that first class customers can have a nice trip to the toilet?

That's what they pay £360 Manchester/Euston return for. For that money, they don't expect to be forcing their way through a sea of oiks to get to their loo.

If you don't like it, fork out your £360 quid just as they do. :grin:

 

[Gizmogle]

That's what they pay £360 Manchester/Euston return for. For that money, they don't expect to be forcing their way through a sea of oiks to get to their loo.

If you don't like it, fork out your £360 quid just as they do. :grin:

It was FGW for a start. And nobody pays £360 for their seat. Unless they're stupidly rich and don't care.

 

[voyagerdude220]

It was FGW for a start. And nobody pays £360 for their seat. Unless they're stupidly rich and don't care.

Precisely, they do what I do, and pay £22.10 YP for a Pendolino Primo single

 

[Flying Snail]

It was FGW for a start. And nobody pays £360 for their seat. Unless they're stupidly rich and don't care.

You'd be surprised. On some peak trains with practically full FC nearly all of them will have paid over £100 per trip. That is why Virgin ordered the pendos with 4 FC coaches, the revenue from the small number of services that they can fill FC far outweighs the revenue they could get by selling out another SC coach all day with bargain AP fares.

If you think those fares are steep then check out first class air fares, £7000 return Heathrow - New York.

 

[voyagerdude220]

You'd be surprised. On some peak trains with practically full FC nearly all of them will have paid over £100 per trip. That is why Virgin ordered the pendos with 4 FC coaches, the revenue from the small number of services that they can fill FC far outweighs the revenue they could get by selling out another SC coach all day with bargain AP fares.

If you think those fares are steep then check out first class air fares, £7000 return Heathrow - New York.

I was very surprised, when I got the 16:46 Euston to Edinburgh one weekday last year, how full it was in FC. Having said that, some idiot had decided to declassify coach G, which meant we had one coach which apparantly had a few FC pax in, complaining about no FC service.

When I got the 17:15 ex Euston, a limited stop Primo service, it was far less busy.

Does anyone know how busy the 17:15 is, on Friday evenings?

 

[CosherB]

If I want to work in London for a day, I need to catch the 06:51 Pendo from Wilmslow to get to Euston at 09:00. I'd return around 17:00.

The only first class ticket valid on that train is an open return at £300. And the FC will be pretty full.

If I want to do the journey for about £70 FC booked in advance, I have to wait until a late morning departure and return not before 19:35.

Virgin pitch FC peak fares Man - Lon to compete with air fares. The breakfast is better on the train, and the door-to-door time for home to central London is far quicker - and no security hassle, either. But I have to persuade my employer to fork out for 1st class - which they are not generally inclined to do, even though it's no more expensive than flying.

CS

 

[voyagerdude220]

If I want to work in London for a day, I need to catch the 06:51 Pendo from Wilmslow to get to Euston at 09:00. I'd return around 17:00.

The only first class ticket valid on that train is an open return at £300. And the FC will be pretty full.

If I want to do the journey for about £70 FC booked in advance, I have to wait until a late morning departure and return not before 19:35.

Virgin pitch FC peak fares Man - Lon to compete with air fares. The breakfast is better on the train, and the door-to-door time for home to central London is far quicker - and no security hassle, either. But I have to persuade my employer to fork out for 1st class - which they are not generally inclined to do, even though it's no more expensive than flying.

CS

If your boss gives you a FOR, try to get a Pendolino Primo evening meal Euston to Crewe- They're great!

 

[Mojo]

I was very surprised, when I got the 16:46 Euston to Edinburgh one weekday last year, how full it was in FC. Having said that, some idiot had decided to declassify coach G, which meant we had one coach which apparantly had a few FC pax in, complaining about no FC service.

When I got the 17:15 ex Euston, a limited stop Primo service, it was far less busy.

Does anyone know how busy the 17:15 is, on Friday evenings?

Perhaps Coach G was declassified because standard was full?

 

[voyagerdude220]

Perhaps Coach G was declassified because standard was full?

That would be logical, but the FC hosts were telling all FC customers as we boarded, that G was declassified, even before we left Euston, so unless a huge crowd of people got on the train before me, It was declassified even before everyone had boarded.

When I walked passed coach G at Preston, I looked to see how busy it was, and it was virtually empty! Standard was a little full, and unless alot of people got off Stafford-Wigan, the Pendo was just as full as you'd expect the 16:46 to be, but crucially not overcrowded in SC.

When I say FC was full, i mean full, as I actually told a young woman who was sat in the vestibule by coach K that there was 2 seats free in coach K which I had spotted, so we sat there.

 

[W14Fishbourne]

Precisely, they do what I do, and pay £22.10 YP for a Pendolino Primo single

Fair enough! So you should look on not being allowed into FC vestibules as a small price to pay for saving nearly £340.

If you paid economy class on an aircraft would you expect to go and stand around in the first class area because economy was too noisy?

 

[Gizmogle]

If you paid economy class on an aircraft would you expect to go and stand around in the first class area because economy was too noisy?

That's different though. Plane journeys cost more, and are usually longer than train journeys. Trains are less serious, if you get what I mean.