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[Whiteway215]

No, I can’t remember, sorry.

Ok thank you.

 

[route101]

The infrequent M11 runs every 30 minutes and gets an SPT tendered service in the evening.

Although the times slip as the day goes on. So hardly infrequent. Other parts have no service at all.

Enough said about Avondale, but it does stop at 1700 ish.

The old 11 was up to every 15/20 minutes at one point I reckon.

 

[mb3]

The infrequent M11 runs every 30 minutes and gets an SPT tendered service in the evening.

Although the times slip as the day goes on. So hardly infrequent. Other parts have no service at all.

Enough said about Avondale, but it does stop at 1700 ish.

The tendered service is two services in the evening, both an hour apart and stops around 7/8pm. The M11 is hourly on a Saturday and 11 is also hourly on a Sunday. So yes, I would say it is infrequent.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Are any more E400s to head to Essex?

 

[Bus Lightyear]

The old 11 was up to every 15/20 minutes at one point I reckon.

It was every 15 minutes when it ran all the way out to Cumbernauld many moons ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33321...photolist-2j5ke65-fsgVfw-bqsDbe-eawE58-EWqfVP

Not my photo and credit to the photographer.

When I was younger, very nearby was the 42, 42A, 92 & 159 when it ran. It was good to have many First bus options to Partick and a direct link to Clydebank without the need to walk down towards Yoker or change buses in Drumchapel, a thing residents of my area still need to do years since the withdrawal of the 92.'

I remember many things that happened in the 70s/80/90s but I have absolutely no recollection of a 92 or 159.

 

[PaulMc7]

I was very surprised to be quite honest when First took the 42 off when it ran Garscadden to Partick because at the time it was always very busy when I saw it. The 1C also operating part of the route and then the 2 and 3 covering the rest didn't seem to stop it picking up very good numbers.

As for the M11, it's such a weird service to me because it's either very busy or completely dead when I've seen it and very often I've been the youngest person on it by a mile. It's incredibly tight for time at both ends too so reliability can be a bit questionable. I know it was when I used to work in Clydebank as it was often 15-20 mins late.

Quite a few really p*ssed of punters on Union Street with two 9s in a row being full and leaving people standing then a 9A turned up running short to Ibrox, then a 9 no showed then a single decker 10 turned up quite a few grumbles of this really needs double deckers and I tend agree

That sounds about right for the 9/9A/10 to be honest. With the driver shortages the 9s seem to have been one of the worst affected buses out of everything and that's even with them individually being every 15 mins instead of the pre-covid 10 min frequency. Not to mention the 10s aren't great for turning up either.

The unfortunate thing for the 10 is the interworking with the 57 at Silverburn. The 57/57A are also up there for being majorly affected by driver shortages so this then has a knock on effect on the 10. Not good with a 20 min frequency.

It's such a busy corridor too even with the McGill's battle present that I'm amazed double deckers have been so rare on the 9/9A. It's been the same since Simplicity occured but even then the 54 was very often single decker operated too with the odd decker here and there.

 

[Dfatcontroller]

Are any more E400s to head to Essex?

According to a post on FaceBook 33980 & 33982 have arrived at Ravenhill in Swansea.

 

[cadder toad]

I remember the 58 which was similar to the west end of the 6 these days. My memory of the 10 is a bit hazy but it went to Carntyne in the east end and was jointly operated by Knightswood and Gartcraig depots.

I remember getting the 10 when it was a double decker with an open platform. The bus number (not the route number) begin with an 'L'. After Alexandra Parade it went to South Carntyne, probably Edinburgh Road then down Carntynehall Rd to a terminus at the bottom - Cardowan Rd? In the west it came along G Western Rd then I think Park Rd and Woodlands Rd. The buses along G Western Rd were 2, 10, 58, 66

 

[Tom Gallacher]

I remember getting the 10 when it was a double decker with an open platform. The bus number (not the route number) begin with an 'L'. After Alexandra Parade it went to South Carntyne, probably Edinburgh Road then down Carntynehall Rd to a terminus at the bottom - Cardowan Rd? In the west it came along G Western Rd then I think Park Rd and Woodlands Rd. The buses along G Western Rd were 2, 10, 58, 66

You forgot the 20 to Drumchapel and 3 to Kelvindale. Also (and I may be wrong) I don't think the 66 and 2 ever ran together along GWR. When the 2 went from Rutherglen/Kings Park to High Knightswood the 66 went up Maryhill Rd to Queens Cross. The 66 then later replaced the 2 to High Knightswood. You had the 10 and 10A but I thought they went along Bath Street and via Charing X and Woodlands Rd. One went to Scotstounhill and the other (can't remember which way round) went to High Knightswood as well. The 58 went to Dalmuir West. The "L" bus fleet number would have indicated a Leyland PD2. The later PD3 also had "L" fleet numbers but they were all front entrance.

 

[EMU303]

You forgot the 20 to Drumchapel and 3 to Kelvindale. Also (and I may be wrong) I don't think the 66 and 2 ever ran together along GWR. When the 2 went from Rutherglen/Kings Park to High Knightswood the 66 went up Maryhill Rd to Queens Cross.

Think from memory the 66 went up Garscube Rd to terminate at Queens X and was a replacement for trolley bus route 105?

 

[cadder toad]

Thanks for the corrections which have made me think a bit more deeply about the routes. Towards the end of the 1970's I seem to remember the buses that ran along GW Rd from Anniesland to St Georges X were 11, 20, 58 and 66. The 2 was an earlier period as Tom Gallacher has said. I don't think I ever saw that route. The 10 I'm sure was Woodlands Rd, Park Rd then GW Rd. I remember four routes (ex-Corporation) as the numbers repeated at every bus stop on a slow, slow journey at the morning rush hour. But adding the 10 would make five. Maybe I'm wrong about the no. 11?

 

[mb3]

It was every 15 minutes when it ran all the way out to Cumbernauld many moons ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33321...photolist-2j5ke65-fsgVfw-bqsDbe-eawE58-EWqfVP

Not my photo and credit to the photographer.


I remember many things that happened in the 70s/80/90s but I have absolutely no recollection of a 92 or 159.

I have little memory of the 159 as I moved to my current area in 2008 and I think it was withdrawn shortly after. However I think it was a sort of peak hours service to Glasgow via G.W.R.

When I moved here the 92 done Partick to Drumchapel via Thornwood, Broomhill, Gartnavel Hospital, Anniesland, Garscadden and Great Western Retail Park. Then in 2010 when the 42A was withdrawn the route was changed to instead terminate at Antonine Park, serving as normal before until Drumry Roundabout and then going around Onslow Road and into Clydebank and onward to Antonine Park.

 

[92002]

The tendered service is two services in the evening, both an hour apart and stops around 7/8pm. The M11 is hourly on a Saturday and 11 is also hourly on a Sunday. So yes, I would say it is infrequent.

However the half hourly M11 and hourly ones are hardly overcrowded. With most passengers using Free travel cards. So hardly making a profit.

 

[Tom Gallacher]

Think from memory the 66 went up Garscube Rd to terminate at Queens X and was a replacement for trolley bus route 105?

Could have done, Queens cross being at the junction of Garscube Rd and Maryhill Rd. It was as you say the trolleybus replacement.

Thanks for the corrections which have made me think a bit more deeply about the routes. Towards the end of the 1970's I seem to remember the buses that ran along GW Rd from Anniesland to St Georges X were 11, 20, 58 and 66. The 2 was an earlier period as Tom Gallacher has said. I don't think I ever saw that route. The 10 I'm sure was Woodlands Rd, Park Rd then GW Rd. I remember four routes (ex-Corporation) as the numbers repeated at every bus stop on a slow, slow journey at the morning rush hour. But adding the 10 would make five. Maybe I'm wrong about the no. 11?

I think the 11 went via Park Rd and Woodlands Rd to get to the city centre

 

[Bus Lightyear]

I think the 11 went via Park Rd and Woodlands Rd to get to the city centre

That's correct. The 11 went via Woodlands Road and then Bath Street when it was two-way up until 1988.

According to a post on FaceBook 33980 & 33982 have arrived at Ravenhill in Swansea.

33981 is back on the road I believe.

However the half hourly M11 and hourly ones are hardly overcrowded. With most passengers using Free travel cards. So hardly making a profit.

Unfortunately the reason for the demise of the 11, 42 and other routes would've been a lack of passengers and that's partly due to some folk preferring to walk a bit further to a main road where there are more frequent buses or the train.

 

[LT02 NVV]

That's correct. The 11 went via Woodlands Road and then Bath Street when it was two-way up until 1988.

33981 is back on the road I believe.


Unfortunately the reason for the demise of the 11, 42 and other routes would've been a lack of passengers and that's partly due to some folk preferring to walk a bit further to a main road where there are more frequent buses or the train.

The 42 was quite popular between the Drumchapel - Partick section, mainly because it went via Gascardden, but there where a lot more 9 services though, as the 9 was more frequent, that was until around 2011 (which would last till the introduction of the current 3 service in 2013), when a lot more 9 buses where split in half, with Drumchapel buses (being mainly bendy buses) would run to Glasgow, and buses going towards Paisley (Paisley, Linwood, Penilee, & Braehead) being ran from Buchanan Street.

An example of what I mean with the service 9 being split into two, can be found here: https://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/FirstBuses/First-in-Glasgow/i-XQ7gSPN/A

 

[Tom Gallacher]

Thanks for the corrections which have made me think a bit more deeply about the routes. Towards the end of the 1970's I seem to remember the buses that ran along GW Rd from Anniesland to St Georges X were 11, 20, 58 and 66. The 2 was an earlier period as Tom Gallacher has said. I don't think I ever saw that route. The 10 I'm sure was Woodlands Rd, Park Rd then GW Rd. I remember four routes (ex-Corporation) as the numbers repeated at every bus stop on a slow, slow journey at the morning rush hour. But adding the 10 would make five. Maybe I'm wrong about the no. 11?

The 10/10A used to go via Danes Dr so the logical route from the city centre would have been Woodlands Rd, University Ave, Highburgh Rd, Hyndland Rd, Clarence Dr, Crow Road, Victoria Park Dr North and then Danes Drive. At Victoria Dr one went straight on to it's terminus at the junction with Kingsway. The other turned right and headed up towards Lincoln Ave to High Knightswood. This part of the service was, IIRC, replaced with the 4, which came along Southbrae Dr, when the 10/10A was withdrawn.

 

[PaulMc7]

The 42 was quite popular between the Drumchapel - Partick section, mainly because it went via Gascardden, but there where a lot more 9 services though, as the 9 was more frequent, that was until around 2011 (which would last till the introduction of the current 3 service in 2013), when a lot more 9 buses where split in half, with Drumchapel buses (being mainly bendy buses) would run to Glasgow, and buses going towards Paisley (Paisley, Linwood, Penilee, & Braehead) being ran from Buchanan Street.

An example of what I mean with the service 9 being split into two, can be found here: https://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/FirstBuses/First-in-Glasgow/i-XQ7gSPN/A

The 42 was popular even when the 1C started to be fair through Garscadden and Polnoon Avenue. It was either really old double deckers or really small single deckers that ended up on it though which I found strange at the time.

I'm surprised First never tried to take Avondale out of business to be fair given they had been much tougher when McGill's and McColls challenged them in the past and also when Mckindless matched some routes. Avondale seem indestructible though given what they operate and the fact services are still well used. Linnvale and Parkhall were lost by First to them too.

 

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[LT02 NVV]

The 42 was popular even when the 1C started to be fair through Garscadden and Polnoon Avenue. It was either really old double deckers or really small single deckers that ended up on it though which I found strange at the time.

I'm surprised First never tried to take Avondale out of business to be fair given they had been much tougher when McGill's and McColls challenged them in the past and also when Mckindless matched some routes. Avondale seem indestructible though given what they operate and the fact services are still well used. Linnvale and Parkhall were lost by First to them too.

Yeah, when the timetable & service changes happened in 2013, I never got the reason why they ran it only from Garscadden to Partick, with a mix of random buses on from the Scoutstoun depot.
Also, why, after only 1 or 2 years of it being a service between Garscadden & Partick, did they decide to get rid of the route?

Speaking of 2013 Service Changes, I found this: https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sites/default/files/first timetable updated.pdf

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Yeah, when the timetable & service changes happened in 2013, I never got the reason why they ran it only from Garscadden to Partick, with a mix of random buses on from the Scoutstoun depot.
Also, why, after only 1 or 2 years of it being a service between Garscadden & Partick, did they decide to get rid of the route?

Speaking of 2013 Service Changes, I found this: https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sites/default/files/first timetable updated.pdf

I recall the Simplicity changes being pretty drastic. Probably the most drastic since Overground in 1999.

I recall the 42/42A running from Barlanark - Antonine Park/Drumchapel. It was a busy route for the hospital and the east end section has now been replaced with the 38B. It used to be run by Volvo B10Ms.

 

[PaulMc7]

Yeah, when the timetable & service changes happened in 2013, I never got the reason why they ran it only from Garscadden to Partick, with a mix of random buses on from the Scoutstoun depot.
Also, why, after only 1 or 2 years of it being a service between Garscadden & Partick, did they decide to get rid of the route?

Speaking of 2013 Service Changes, I found this: https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sites/default/files/first timetable updated.pdf

Simplicity looking back on it is actually a really odd set of changes and while it created a fairly strong core set of routes, it also killed most secondary routes ie like the 42. The 16 is another one that after the 23 then the 19A covered the Blairdardie to City Centre end has never really worked since it came back. It only seems to be busy for a couple of journeys during peak hours because of the fact the 77 is back down to every 15 mins again.

Considering the size of the Queen Elizabeth I'm surprised First haven't found other ways to make services work except the 34A and 77 really. There's no real need for the 8 to go there either with the length of that route.

 

[LT02 NVV]

I recall the Simplicity changes being pretty drastic. Probably the most drastic since Overground in 1999.

I recall the 42/42A running from Barlanark - Antonine Park/Drumchapel. It was a busy route for the hospital and the east end section has now been replaced with the 38B. It used to be run by Volvo B10Ms.

I remember that in 2012 until the 2013 timetable change, the 42 had a major increase of services being operated by Wright Axcess-Floline & Renowns, though there where still plenty of services with Wright Eclipse Metros, Wright Eclipse Urbans, Wright Eclpise Geminis (Volvo B7TL ones), and Plaxton Presidents (mainly 51 & 02 number plate Trident examples) buses being used.

I believe the increase of the Floline & Renowns where due to to the older Alexander PS Type buses being withdrawn to allow more step-free services on the network.

 

[mb3]

I remember that in 2012 until the 2013 timetable change, the 42 had a major increase of services being operated by Wright Axcess-Floline & Renowns, though there where still plenty of services with Wright Eclipse Metros, Wright Eclipse Urbans, Wright Eclpise Geminis (Volvo B7TL ones), and Plaxton Presidents (mainly 51 & 02 number plate Trident examples) buses being used.

I believe the increase of the Floline & Renowns where due to to the older Alexander PS Type buses being withdrawn to allow more step-free services on the network.

I think it was also due to the 42A being withdrawn in 2010 and then the 92 at some point in the future. I seem to remember the frequency increased from 30 mins to 20 mins.

 

[sannox]

See First have announced a fares hike, a 2 trip ticket and tap on and off.

Tap On, Tap Off

How to Tap On Tap Off You can now Tap On Tap Off when buying adult fares in most of the areas we operate in across Glasgow.

www.firstbus.co.uk

Introducing Tap On, Tap Off!

The new way to pay where you only pay for what you use!
Simply ‘Tap On’ with the driver as you board, and ‘Tap Off’ using one of the new readers on board the bus as you exit.

We’ll work out the single fare based on the distance you travel. And you’ll only pay the fare for that journey. When you make additional journeys throughout the day, we’ll cap your payments at the max cost of a day ticket.

Plus, if you travel for additional journeys in the same week, you’ll unlock greater daily discounts as we calculate the fare for you based on how much you travel.

Works with any valid credit or debit card, plus Google & Apple Pay.
The same card or device must be used each time you use TOTO.
Weekly calculation refreshes every Monday.
Promotional fares are not available via TOTO.

 

[PaulMc7]

See First have announced a fares hike, a 2 trip ticket and tap on and off.

Tap On, Tap Off

How to Tap On Tap Off You can now Tap On Tap Off when buying adult fares in most of the areas we operate in across Glasgow.

www.firstbus.co.uk

Anyone know what's happening with the monthly direct debit? There's no mention of them.

 

[adrock1976]

With this new tap on tap off, will it be capped at the former SPT Daytripper rate and is operator agnostic?

If not, I totally despair as this is an opportunity to have one rate for within the SPT area similar as to how it is done in London.

 

[Scotrail88]

With this new tap on tap off, will it be capped at the former SPT Daytripper rate and is operator agnostic?

If not, I totally despair as this is an opportunity to have one rate for within the SPT area similar as to how it is done in London.

This is coming if you read the bus partnership paper - and brought about by the operators.

Operator own to start then across all to follow.

 

[mb3]

Has anyone got any idea if the night buses are coming back? I’ve noticed that the N2 and N6 have reappeared on bus times.

 

[route101]

With tap on tap off I always forget to tap off!

Some other First areas have a £1 flat fare after 6pm, would that work in Glasgow?