First West of England (Bristol, Bath & The West)

[anthony263]

Seems I was wrong in a previous post.

Volvo Olympians 34161/34162/34163/34164 are not being scrapped but are in fact due to be transfred to Cornwall during the next few weeks being replaced at Pontardawe by low floor deckers.

First Cymru/Swansea council it seems are looking at converting FTR metro service 4 in Swansea to normal bus operation soon because of the high costs and unreliabiblity of the Wrightbus streetcar's.

Further low floor deckers are supposed to be brought in to work this route

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Seems I was wrong in a previous post.

Volvo Olympians 34161/34162/34163/34164 are not being scrapped but are in fact due to be transfred to Cornwall during the next few weeks being replaced at Pontardawe by low floor deckers.

First Cymru/Swansea council it seems are looking at converting FTR metro service 4 in Swansea to normal bus operation soon because of the high costs and unreliabiblity of the Wrightbus streetcar's.

Further low floor deckers are supposed to be brought in to work this route

I can see all the former native Palatine 2 deckers from Lawrence Hill gravitating to Cornwall at this rate!

Is it confirmed that the low floor deckers are ex Southampton or FSA?

 

[Class 33]

I really wish Bristol would get some more double deckers. Yesterday there were three Eclipses on the 73 and one on the 2!

Absolutely agree with you there mate. Bristol should have more double deckers! Along with yourself I WAS really looking forward to the 22 Enviro 400's we were supposed to be getting. But it turns out we are now getting none of these atall, at least for the time being anyway! Very dissapointed about this. I like the Enviro 400's and it would have been good to see(and ride) them here running around the Bristol area, adding a bit more of a mix of different double deckers here instead of the minefield of Gemini's!

Bristol does need more double deckers. Whether Gemini's, Enviro 400's, or even a little older vehicles such as Dennis Tridents or Volvo Olympians. Anything really, as Bristol does ideally need at least a dozen additional double deckers for Bristol services. If they can't get any new(or new-ish) buses here, then why can't they get some older buses here instead? It bemuses me when I read on here that some Dennis Tridents and Volvo Olympians are being transferred down to First Plymouth, First Weymouth or First Cornwall! If those cities/counties can get some older buses joining their fleet, then why can't Bristol?

Yes as regards the 73 and single deckers. It does appear that it is the norm now that three single deckers are running around every day on this service. Though the other day though I did spot two B10 BLE's on the 73, and one on the 70. Much nicer and more comfortable buses than the Eclipse's in my opinion. But these buses aren't typically on the 73 every day, more likely to Eclipse's!

On a positive note, assuming the rumours/reports on here are correct, the Streetlite's for Bristol service should be arriving next month! Decent single deckers, unlike those Enviro 200's! Will be good to see them on the 24 and 25. And if Bristol gets more of these over the next few years, it would be good to see them put on the 70(even though the service really needs some double deckers) and then I wouldn't have to avoid getting on this service!

 

[anthony263]

I can see all the former native Palatine 2 deckers from Lawrence Hill gravitating to Cornwall at this rate!

Is it confirmed that the low floor deckers are ex Southampton or FSA?

The current batch will be from Southampton. That said any additional vehicles are likely to be coming from First Somerset & Avon

 

[richw]

Seems I was wrong in a previous post.

Volvo Olympians 34161/34162/34163/34164 are not being scrapped but are in fact due to be transfred to Cornwall during the next few weeks being replaced at Pontardawe by low floor deckers.

First Cymru/Swansea council it seems are looking at converting FTR metro service 4 in Swansea to normal bus operation soon because of the high costs and unreliabiblity of the Wrightbus streetcar's.

Further low floor deckers are supposed to be brought in to work this route

They're newer than many of our deckers at the moment, which are hiding their age with Irish style private plates, many are N reg age.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Absolutely agree with you there mate. Bristol should have more double deckers! Along with yourself I WAS really looking forward to the 22 Enviro 400's we were supposed to be getting. But it turns out we are now getting none of these atall, at least for the time being anyway! Very dissapointed about this. I like the Enviro 400's and it would have been good to see(and ride) them here running around the Bristol area, adding a bit more of a mix of different double deckers here instead of the minefield of Gemini's!

It is a shame, as they are very nice buses. The only Enviro 400s are 33824-33830 at Weston for the X1. They are seriously nice buses!

Yes as regards the 73 and single deckers. It does appear that it is the norm now that three single deckers are running around every day on this service. Though the other day though I did spot two B10 BLE's on the 73, and one on the 70. Much nicer and more comfortable buses than the Eclipse's in my opinion. But these buses aren't typically on the 73 every day, more likely to Eclipse's!

I have to admit, I've seen those B10BLE's appearing on the 73 quite often. They and the Eclipses must get quite busy! I've also seen the X73 with them too!

On a positive note, assuming the rumours/reports on here are correct, the Streetlite's for Bristol service should be arriving next month! Decent single deckers, unlike those Enviro 200's! Will be good to see them on the 24 and 25. And if Bristol gets more of these over the next few years, it would be good to see them put on the 70(even though the service really needs some double deckers) and then I wouldn't have to avoid getting on this service!

That's good to see. Although to be honest I've never used, and probably will never need to, use the 24/25 but purely from observations at Cabot Circus they do get stuffed quite quickly!

The 70 is definitely a route which needs double deckers. I'm surprised that First have never considered putting one or two Geminis on the route. Although most UWE students use Wessex Red, the 70 does get busy. Saw the typical Eclipse on a UWE bound service last week and I couldn't get on it as it was rammed to the rafters!

Would be good to see a double decker return to the 70 one day!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Absolutely agree with you there mate. Bristol should have more double deckers! Along with yourself I WAS really looking forward to the 22 Enviro 400's we were supposed to be getting. But it turns out we are now getting none of these atall, at least for the time being anyway! Very dissapointed about this. I like the Enviro 400's and it would have been good to see(and ride) them here running around the Bristol area, adding a bit more of a mix of different double deckers here instead of the minefield of Gemini's!

Bristol does need more double deckers. Whether Gemini's, Enviro 400's, or even a little older vehicles such as Dennis Tridents or Volvo Olympians. Anything really, as Bristol does ideally need at least a dozen additional double deckers for Bristol services. If they can't get any new(or new-ish) buses here, then why can't they get some older buses here instead? It bemuses me when I read on here that some Dennis Tridents and Volvo Olympians are being transferred down to First Plymouth, First Weymouth or First Cornwall! If those cities/counties can get some older buses joining their fleet, then why can't Bristol?

What is the actual situation on deckers for FSA over the last 6 months or so? I had a check on Steve White's site and the March 2013 list showed that the 5 HE Tridents had gone as had 4 WM Olyms.

Meanwhile, 6 new e400s have arrived plus 17 B7TLs into HE, with another 12 arriving of which (6 to LH with 6 to Bath for Uni services). Appreciate that the increased PVR for 42 (with Keynsham extension) and the odd tweak, there has still been an increase with 9 going and 29 coming in (ignoring the Bath B7s). I might not be entirely spot on with everything but I think Bristol is certainly in the black on that!

And remember that places like First Kernow are crying out for newer fleet - they've got K reg Leyland Olympians still working so cascading some S regs down there is eminently more sensible. First Bristol has had quite a few deckers (new and ex London) recently and it isn't the only place needing them.

 

[freetoview33]

Just having a look back at this
http://www.bvbg.org.uk/Routes 1999.htm
and seeing how much has been cut back on!

 

[Class 33]

Meanwhile, 6 new e400s have arrived plus 17 B7TLs into HE, with another 12 arriving of which (6 to LH with 6 to Bath for Uni services). Appreciate that the increased PVR for 42 (with Keynsham extension) and the odd tweak, there has still been an increase with 9 going and 29 coming in (ignoring the Bath B7s). I might not be entirely spot on with everything but I think Bristol is certainly in the black on that!

Oh brilliant! So Bristol has now got some Enviro 400's after all then?! Was led to believe from recent posts that we wouldn't be getting any now. Can't wait to start seeing these about in Bristol. Will be interesting to see which service/s they get put on. Are they likely to all goto one particular service i.e. the 70(now that would be great!), or spread across a few or more different services?

And 17 B7 TL's?! With a further 6 arriving soon?! Which I've just looked up on Flickr to see what buses these are(still not an expert on these modern buses yet). Nice buses! Wonder which services they'll get put on too? Bristol will soon have a more interesting mix of double deckers on First services!

Should be an interesting period then in Bristol over the coming few months.

Cheers for this news!

Should be welcome news to DanTrainMan185 too!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Oh brilliant! So Bristol has now got some Enviro 400's after all then?! Was led to believe from recent posts that we wouldn't be getting any now. Can't wait to start seeing these about in Bristol. Will be interesting to see which service/s they get put on. Are they likely to all goto one particular service i.e. the 70(now that would be great!), or spread across a few or more different services?

And 17 B7 TL's?! With a further 6 arriving soon?! Which I've just looked up on Flickr to see what buses these are(still not an expert on these modern buses yet). Nice buses! Wonder which services they'll get put on too? Bristol will soon have a more interesting mix of double deckers on First services!

Should be an interesting period then in Bristol over the coming few months.

Cheers for this news!

Should be welcome news to DanTrainMan185 too!

Steady on. This is Bristol and Avon; the e400s are the Weston ones 33825-30 that allowed 6xB7 to go to Bristol. The other B7s I mentioned are the ex London 53/04 Geminis!!

 

[winston270twm]

First Group still have 35 x 08/58 plate E400's to be cascaded from First London Dagenham depot which has only recently transferred all its work to Stagecoach London i.e. 33504/33506-33508 & 33544-33574.

Maybe some of those may head to Bristol?

 

[stait.john]

The ex-Dagenham E400s are heading to Leicester I believe. This may release older B7TLs for elsewhere maybe but they are getting on a bit now it must be remembered! All the B9TLs off the Excel X1 at Eastern Counties (replaced by the new E400s) are staying within that fleet, with 4 B7TLs going to Potteries.

LH have recently had 6 B7TLs from Weston and 6 B7TLs from London, and I've not seen what these 12 have replaced. As has been said, just 6 E400s came and were allocated to Weston for the X1.

Bristol and Avon have had an increase in the number of double deckers over the last year, 32 B7TLs in from London and the 6 new E400s, with only a small number of old Tridents/Volvo Olympians out. The repaint programme doesn't help although 37011-37014 are at LH to help with that.

So not a lot left really, the focus now has to be on the single deck fleet with the new Streetlites surely displacing the remaining step entrance stock at all BSA depots.

John

 

[Class 33]

Steady on. This is Bristol and Avon; the e400s are the Weston ones 33825-30 that allowed 6xB7 to go to Bristol. The other B7s I mentioned are the ex London 53/04 Geminis!!

Oh right. Misunderstood your posting then. Thought it was too good to be true! When you said these buses had arrived(and more arriving) at HE, I assumed this meant Hengrove Depot which covers just Bristol services, Not Bristol and Avon country services as well. Also when you said B7 TL's I looked them up on Flickr and found these beauties http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=B7+TL and no sign of them being Gemini's. But I guess I'm still not quite clued up on these modern buses yet.

Oh well such is First Bristol!

First Group still have 35 x 08/58 plate E400's to be cascaded from First London Dagenham depot which has only recently transferred all its work to Stagecoach London i.e. 33504/33506-33508 & 33544-33574.

Maybe some of those may head to Bristol?

Naaah doubt it! Too good to be true for Bristol to get Enviro 400's ever now I think. Was mentioned back in March we would be getting 22 of them this year, but after all that it turns out we're getting none of them! I did at the time when the news was announced that it was too good to be true(and a very unusual and out of charactor plan by First Bristol to bring in further double deckers which are NOT Gemini's!), and I shouldn't have believed it!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Oh right. Misunderstood your posting then. Thought it was too good to be true! When you said these buses had arrived(and more arriving) at HE, I assumed this meant Hengrove Depot which covers just Bristol services, Not Bristol and Avon country services as well. Also when you said B7 TL's I looked them up on Flickr and found these beauties http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=B7+TL and no sign of them being Gemini's. But I guess I'm still not quite clued up on these modern buses yet.

Oh well such is First Bristol!




Naaah doubt it! Too good to be true for Bristol to get Enviro 400's ever now I think. Was mentioned back in March we would be getting 22 of them this year, but after all that it turns out we're getting none of them! I did at the time when the news was announced that it was too good to be true(and a very unusual and out of charactor plan by First Bristol to bring in further double deckers which are NOT Gemini's!), and I shouldn't have believed it!

Volvo B7TLs appear under a range of bodywork, not least Wright Geminis but also with Alexander ALX400 bodywork (e.g. 320001+). The 32328 - 32347 batch from London obviously arrived at HE, whilst the current cascades 32349-60 are also B7s with Gemini bodywork. I believe that of these, 55-60 will end up at LH. Also, the new e400s at Weston have displaced 6 x B7s to LH, with the ex Bath P&R Gemini ones going there alongside 32002-4 (ALX400).

Therefore, it is fair to say that Bristol does have considerably more deckers than a year ago, even with some increases in PVR.

Also, the fact is that the main problem for the FSA business was/is that there are still a substantial number of step floor and elderly non-DDA low floor vehicles with Lances, Darts and even some B10BLEs about expired. The decker fleet is in better nick (age profile wise) and the need to be DDA compliant does mean that sorting out the single deck fleet is the priority.

 

[winston270twm]

The ex-Dagenham E400s are heading to Leicester I believe. This may release older B7TLs for elsewhere maybe but they are getting on a bit now it must be remembered! All the B9TLs off the Excel X1 at Eastern Counties (replaced by the new E400s) are staying within that fleet, with 4 B7TLs going to Potteries.

LH have recently had 6 B7TLs from Weston and 6 B7TLs from London, and I've not seen what these 12 have replaced. As has been said, just 6 E400s came and were allocated to Weston for the X1.

Bristol and Avon have had an increase in the number of double deckers over the last year, 32 B7TLs in from London and the 6 new E400s, with only a small number of old Tridents/Volvo Olympians out. The repaint programme doesn't help although 37011-37014 are at LH to help with that.

So not a lot left really, the focus now has to be on the single deck fleet with the new Streetlites surely displacing the remaining step entrance stock at all BSA depots.

John

Thanks for that John, hadn't heard that Leicester were due to receive those from Dagenham, are they having the lot? Leicester are already fully low floor and have 12 x W-reg B7TL/ALX400's & 34 x 51-reg B7TL/ALX400's all of which should have some life left in them for subsidiaries such as FDC etc that are still receiving step entrance deckers

 

[DaveHarries]

Just been looking in the VOSA registrations for 14th October. One is a route change only for Service 5 (City Centre - Downend) and another gives changes to Stoping Places of the 24 & 25 (Horfield Common - Ashton Vale), both wef 03-Nov-2013. And thinking of the 24 & 25, I have recently seen a Pointer Dart SLF or two running around on these routes: saw one on Stapleton Road last week. Claerence tests in advance of the Streetlites?

Meanwhile, and apologies for going O/T, it seems that Wessex Connect have decided to pack in the CCS: this has been registered as cancelled from 07-Dec-2013.

Dave

 

[swifty]

Seems I was wrong in a previous post.

Volvo Olympians 34161/34162/34163/34164 are not being scrapped but are in fact due to be transfred to Cornwall during the next few weeks being replaced at Pontardawe by low floor deckers.

First Cymru/Swansea council it seems are looking at converting FTR metro service 4 in Swansea to normal bus operation soon because of the high costs and unreliabiblity of the Wrightbus streetcar's.

Further low floor deckers are supposed to be brought in to work this route

Simon Cursio has said only 4 deckers are confirmed at the moment. And that more new single decks are due for Cymru at the end of the year, so say for a renewal of the P&R contract.
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Just been looking in the VOSA registrations for 14th October. One is a route change only for Service 5 (City Centre - Downend) and another gives changes to Stoping Places of the 24 & 25 (Horfield Common - Ashton Vale), both wef 03-Nov-2013. And thinking of the 24 & 25, I have recently seen a Pointer Dart SLF or two running around on these routes: saw one on Stapleton Road last week. Claerence tests in advance of the Streetlites?

They wouldn't have left clearance testing till now! Dart SLFs and Volvo B6BLEs have been quite common recently, as well as step Dart, presumably covering E200s in for paint/refurb. The 30 Streetlites have taken fleet nos 47435-65.
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Interestingly the ex London Tridents arriving at Taunton also all carry the West of England fleet name! The last SxxxAAE. Olympians are likely to cascade down to Cornwall.

I hadn't noticed before, but they actually also carry FirstTaunton above the door, like the E200s with FirstBath.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/benbeaver95/10269161415/in/photostream/

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Simon Cursio has said only 4 deckers are confirmed at the moment. And that more new single decks are due for Cymru at the end of the year, so say for a renewal of the P&R contract.
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I hadn't noticed before, but they actually also carry FirstTaunton above the door, like the E200s with FirstBath.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/benbeaver95/10269161415/in/photostream/

So we're thinking that R661-4NHY are off to Cornwall to be replaced by W807EOW plus 3 others. Aren't the P&R machines Eclipses? Have to say that those (or the older ex Manchester/Bath ones) would be welcome on the Llynfi Valley services - not good to see routes like those still suffering R reg Darts.

I thought the e200s had lost the Bath branding? Got to say that it's nice to see some half modern kit appear in Taunton. Again a danger to surmise, but does this mean that the six Taunton Palatine 2s are displaced to Cornwall 34171-6??

 

[Rich McLean]

2 Olympians from Taunton are now in Service down in Plymouth

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

2 Olympians from Taunton are now in Service down in Plymouth

Saw that reported on Goose Fair work. Assuming that they'll be staying and the other 4 will also head down???

 

[Rich McLean]

Saw that reported on Goose Fair work. Assuming that they'll be staying and the other 4 will also head down???

It looks that way, until end of service. I suspect once they are all down at the Ride, the legals will be put on, then sent on Cornwall work until the end of their working lives/2016

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

It looks that way, until end of service. I suspect once they are all down at the Ride, the legals will be put on, then sent on Cornwall work until the end of their working lives/2016

To be honest, that'll suit them down to the ground. Those machines were some of my favourites when I lived in Bristol and operated my local routes along with the ex Centrewest ones (N-JBV/P-UCW).

Have travelled on a couple this year at Weston and at Taunton and they're still a lot nicer than similar age Royales (and a world away from equivalent Stagecoach R-types).
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Just having a look back at this
http://www.bvbg.org.uk/Routes 1999.htm
and seeing how much has been cut back on!

However, that can prove a little misleading. After all, it doesn't really reflect some routes that have been simplified (removing different service numbers etc) and the odd route variations, nor does it reflect those services with increased frequencies such as the X39 or 376

 

[83G/84D]

2 Olympians from Taunton are now in Service down in Plymouth

34161 noted at Camborne today parked all day in the garage. Could this be the end for the few remaining K and L registration Olympian's?

 

[swifty]

So we're thinking that R661-4NHY are off to Cornwall to be replaced by W807EOW plus 3 others. Aren't the P&R machines Eclipses? Have to say that those (or the older ex Manchester/Bath ones) would be welcome on the Llynfi Valley services - not good to see routes like those still suffering R reg Darts.

I thought the e200s had lost the Bath branding? Got to say that it's nice to see some half modern kit appear in Taunton. Again a danger to surmise, but does this mean that the six Taunton Palatine 2s are displaced to Cornwall 34171-6??

Yes, the native CU08xxx batch and the ex Plymouth YJ07xxx batch, so hopefully they'll be refurbished and put to good use out of Swansea etc.

You are correct, the new Gemini definitely carry FirstBath however;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/firstbristol/10058556314/

I can see the Olys being used as paint floats at Plymouth to help get some of those terribly scruffy Tridents tidied up and painted at a much quicker rate.

 

[Robertj21a]

As the South Devon Bus War Thread has not gained much attention, I may as well stick this in here.

On the first week of the CityBus Blue Flash 12 and the 32, first appear to be holding strong. Both the 12 and 32 are carrying fresh air, while the 83/84/86 are well loaded. The morning 86 to Derriford was full and standing while the 12 had only 6 passengers on board. A 32 even broke down on the ferry, and I assume they are using Presidents on these as they have ferry lifts.

Time will tell though if those with Season Tickets decide to change when it comes up for renewal, which is what I imagine most Tavistock Passengers Buy to get to Plymouth and Back.

Blue Flash will only attract those passengers who need to change onto another CityBus service in the City.

Meanwhile, First HQ in Aberdeen have given the Green light for a major investment in Plymouth, including fleet replacement, reduced ticket prices and further service enhancements. I think Go-Ahead may have picked the wrong fight here.

Care to clarify your comments about the 'Green light' from Aberdeen ? - not sure that they are aware of it changing from amber.

Robert

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Care to clarify your comments about the 'Green light' from Aberdeen ? - not sure that they are aware of it changing from amber.

Robert

Let's get this right. Aberdeen is just the back office/admin place, doing stuff like payroll.

Giles and Jeroen have recruited Alex Carter to come in and get the business back in shape. As with other areas, local managers are being encouraged to innovate and fares are central to this. In fact, AC has already done so in Taunton.

How much fleet investment will be coming? Well, you can't expect wholesale changes but I think you'll see some more cascading of deckers to the south west and perhaps some new single decks in 2014.

 

[Robertj21a]

Let's get this right. Aberdeen is just the back office/admin place, doing stuff like payroll.

Giles and Jeroen have recruited Alex Carter to come in and get the business back in shape. As with other areas, local managers are being encouraged to innovate and fares are central to this. In fact, AC has already done so in Taunton.

How much fleet investment will be coming? Well, you can't expect wholesale changes but I think you'll see some more cascading of deckers to the south west and perhaps some new single decks in 2014.

Don't disagree with your facts but many in the industry still automatically refer to 'Aberdeen' when they just mean a decision from 'on high'.

Robert

 

[ValleyLines142]

The single decker phase in Bristol is still continuing! Here's my observations over the past few days:

Monday:
42703, 66161 and 66178 on the 2.
69452, 69455 and 69457 on the 73 (both the pictures of 69455 and 69457 show them on the 1 and 73 respectively)

Wednesday:
66171 on the 43, on a peak journey out of Bristol heading towards Cadbury Heath.

(None of these are my photos, just from Flickr to show the type of bus used on the route)

Class 33 - a story for you!:
On Monday, I walked from UWE Frenchay to Sainsbury's to catch a 73 to Cribbs Causeway. I got to Sainsbury's and had just missed a Gemini. A 319 turned up, but I prefer the 73 route, and it was just a single-decker anyway, so waited for the next 73. What turns up!?!?! An Eclipse!! So then I went into Sainsbury's to get some chocolate and eventually 37359 turned up!

I then went shopping in Cribbs and caught the 1 to Broomhill, which was operated by 37324, which is in the new livery and has leather seats! Very nice indeed! Also saw Enviro 33414 on the X25 to Portishead at Cribbs, which I didn't know was just a twenty minute journey!! Maybe these should be worked by B10BLE's and the older Enviros on the X1 could be transferred to Lawrence Hill now that Weston has brand new 63-plate Enviros! Certainly a bit of a kick in the teeth when an older single decker works the 2 or 73 and then a double decker Enviro 400 works a twenty minute journey!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

The single decker phase in Bristol is still continuing! Here's my observations over the past few days:

Monday:
42703, 66161 and 66178 on the 2.
69452, 69455 and 69457 on the 73 (both the pictures of 69455 and 69457 show them on the 1 and 73 respectively)

Wednesday:
66171 on the 43, on a peak journey out of Bristol heading towards Cadbury Heath.

(None of these are my photos, just from Flickr to show the type of bus used on the route)

Class 33 - a story for you!:
On Monday, I walked from UWE Frenchay to Sainsbury's to catch a 73 to Cribbs Causeway. I got to Sainsbury's and had just missed a Gemini. A 319 turned up, but I prefer the 73 route, and it was just a single-decker anyway, so waited for the next 73. What turns up!?!?! An Eclipse!! So then I went into Sainsbury's to get some chocolate and eventually 37359 turned up!

I then went shopping in Cribbs and caught the 1 to Broomhill, which was operated by 37324, which is in the new livery and has leather seats! Very nice indeed! Also saw Enviro 33414 on the X25 to Portishead at Cribbs, which I didn't know was just a twenty minute journey!! Maybe these should be worked by B10BLE's and the older Enviros on the X1 could be transferred to Lawrence Hill now that Weston has brand new 63-plate Enviros! Certainly a bit of a kick in the teeth when an older single decker works the 2 or 73 and then a double decker Enviro 400 works a twenty minute journey!

Erm...the X25 works with 125 from Weston so it is actually a 1h 40 journey. Most usually, the service is operated by 54 plate Eclipses so may have been covering a breakdown or depending the time, does it cover some schools?

Also, the PVR for X1 is more than 6 so using older enviros on there has to happen. They also appear on the 112 though be interesting to see what happens when that moves to Bridgwater depot.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Erm...the X25 works with 125 from Weston so it is actually a 1h 40 journey. Most usually, the service is operated by 54 plate Eclipses so may have been covering a breakdown or depending the time, does it cover some schools?

Oh I see. The timetable only showed it on the twenty minute stretch to Portishead. Makes sense now.

Also, the PVR for X1 is more than 6 so using older enviros on there has to happen. They also appear on the 112 though be interesting to see what happens when that moves to Bridgwater depot.

Fair enough. It's a shame Bristol can't get any more Enviros.

Being realistic, does Bath's 41 Park and Ride really need to be double deck? These would be wonderful in Bristol!!