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Could have something to do with the flow splitting in two there - to Gloucester Road and Filton Ave...
There is precedent - the 71 on Saturdays only came out as far asuller Rd Top, and there was a time when it was the 24 (or 25) terminus...
Ok - probably deserving of a more in-depth response. There are plenty of instances where a service does turn around at a point that is operationally convenient - arguably, that's why buses stop at Cherry Gardens rather than go into Bitton or stop short in Cadbury Heath. We have seen it with the 24 at Muller Road Top in the past but when Southmead was rebuilt and Frenchay closed, it made Southmead Hospital a more important traffic objective.Also, some 75s turned round there when they put on extras during COVID. From observation, passenger numbers certainly do fall off north of Horfield Common.
It's the layover times at Southmead as stop use isn't co ordinated. So often buses are waiting for another to move on then you get periods of nothing there.Ok - probably deserving of a more in-depth response. There are plenty of instances where a service does turn around at a point that is operationally convenient - arguably, that's why buses stop at Cherry Gardens rather than go into Bitton or stop short in Cadbury Heath. We have seen it with the 24 at Muller Road Top in the past but when Southmead was rebuilt and Frenchay closed, it made Southmead Hospital a more important traffic objective.
As @Citistar said, it seems odd not run into one of the single biggest traffic generators in Bristol. Even more odd would be to extend from Muller Road Top to run to Gypsy Patch Lane. Yes, you've the SGS Filton College but that seems adequately served already, and there's not much else.
As for capacity at Southmead, as I say, you had 6 buses per hour on the 24 at one point, and the 76 had 5 buses per hour when they were being sent through. Given how frequencies have fallen on the commercial routes (but are largely the same on the tendered stuff even if routes have changed), you'd think there should be space. However, even having it as a circular and not diverting off the main road would be more logical.
Hasn't that always been the case - remember it in Wessex days where you'd have a 505, a 507 etc. Perhaps it operating as a circular means it won't have to layover itself?It's the layover times at Southmead as stop use isn't co ordinated. So often buses are waiting for another to move on then you get periods of nothing there.
An easy enough job to turn the forthcoming 77 at Horfield Common/Muller Road Top, but if the other end is to be at "Henleaze Lake", where on earth is there a suitable place to turn a bus around? Yes, they used to do a full turn at the end of Wellington Hill West in the long-gone days of the 145, but that was with somewhat shorter buses and a lot less traffic.Also, some 75s turned round there when they put on extras during COVID. From observation, passenger numbers certainly do fall off north of Horfield Common.
I was envisaging the west end of Wellington Hill West to be honest.An easy enough job to turn the forthcoming 77 at Horfield Common/Muller Road Top, but if the other end is to be at "Henleaze Lake", where on earth is there a suitable place to turn a bus around? Yes, they used to do a full turn at the end of Wellington Hill West in the long-gone days of the 145, but that was with somewhat shorter buses and a lot less traffic.
Easy enough - there are two roundabouts at Henleaze Lake: one where Eastfield Road meets Henleaze Road and Lake Road and the other where Henleaze Road meets Southmead Road and Wellington Hill West.An easy enough job to turn the forthcoming 77 at Horfield Common/Muller Road Top, but if the other end is to be at "Henleaze Lake", where on earth is there a suitable place to turn a bus around?
The roundabout by where wellington hill west is tight to fit a bus around.Easy enough - there are two roundabouts at Henleaze Lake: one where Eastfield Road meets Henleaze Road and Lake Road and the other where Henleaze Road meets Southmead Road and Wellington Hill West.
Dave
To be fair, just that little bit further towards Filton there is plenty of space to terminate at Golf Course Lane or Springfields, with a roundabout big enough to turn around, which would also help with the 75 and the Y6 which always run full in the Filton area.The roundabout by where wellington hill west is tight to fit a bus around.
Yes, but have you seen the near-permanent congestion on all approached to the double-mini-roundabouts at the bottom of Pen Park?To be fair, just that little bit further towards Filton there is plenty of space to terminate at Golf Course Lane or Springfields, with a roundabout big enough to turn around, which would also help with the 75 and the Y6 which always run full in the Filton area.
Sounds like a return of the D1XSaw a 66reg Bath E400 in both Bradford on Avon (with route test in destination display) driver and 2 staff members on board (diverted via Market Street, as water Co have closed and dug up Silver Street)
Then saw same bus parked up in Castle Street, Trowbridge about hour later, with 3 staff in hi-vis jackets standing by it.
Not sure what double deck route test to BoA and Trowbridge is about, anyone know.
The service buses on D1 are the ex-Cymru E200s which recently replaced the Discover branded long Volvos
Yes, reports of this also, apparently display said something like D1X test or trial. A photographer and Wiltshire Council staff present at Trowbridge Town Hall around said bus, so maybe a press release is due shortly. E400 sounds like it was one of the ex Bristol P&R ones as it was reported to have central doors also.Sounds like a return of the D1X
The 90 is by Transpora and its starting point is Hengrove Park Hospital and goes via Imperial park and up Novers Lane so not really like the old 90. The old 90 technically is still there but just renumbered the 70 and extended to UWE Frenchay to provide cross city links from Knowle to UWE. So there shouldn't be any change to the 70. Sorry if this is slightly off topic regarding the Transpora bit of information. Apologies.Might be slightly out of topic but anyone knows if there's any proposed changes to 70 or 74?
Found out another bus company is reinstalling the previous 90 from first in April but with a lower frequency and earlier finishing time
Can't think of any reasons why they want two similar routes running in South Bristol
It was 33931 YX66 WDT as it was tracking on bustimes but for like less than 5 minutes in Trowbridge.Yes, reports of this also, apparently display said something like D1X test or trial. A photographer and Wiltshire Council staff present at Trowbridge Town Hall around said bus, so maybe a press release is due shortly. E400 sounds like it was one of the ex Bristol P&R ones as it was reported to have central doors also.
Can't think of any other route with the restraints on the normal D1 route at Winsley, Yarnbrook and Slag Lane Westbury
Yes, reports of this also, apparently display said something like D1X test or trial.
The 90 is by Transpora and its starting point is Hengrove Park Hospital and goes via Imperial park and up Novers Lane so not really like the old 90. The old 90 technically is still there but just renumbered the 70 and extended to UWE Frenchay to provide cross city links from Knowle to UWE. So there shouldn't be any change to the 70. Sorry if this is slightly off topic regarding the Transpora bit of information. Apologies.
Isn't there a low bridge somewhere around Westbury? as if First are looking at adding in a new route, they're going to have to reroute it to avoid said low bridge. I'd be very suprised to see deckers being used as far as Warminster on the D1 unless its going be revert to the 265.Saw a 66reg Bath E400 in both Bradford on Avon (with route test in destination display) driver and 2 staff members on board (diverted via Market Street, as water Co have closed and dug up Silver Street)
Then saw same bus parked up in Castle Street, Trowbridge about hour later, with 3 staff in hi-vis jackets standing by it.
Not sure what double deck route test to BoA and Trowbridge is about, anyone know.
The service buses on D1 are the ex-Cymru E200s which recently replaced the Discover branded long Volvos
Eh? What will the number have to do with it?Isn't there a low bridge somewhere around Westbury? as if First are looking at adding in a new route, they're going to have to reroute it to avoid said low bridge. I'd be very suprised to see deckers being used as far as Warminster on the D1 unless its going be revert to the 265.
B3108 at Limpley Stoke bridge is 4.1m (13'9")Eh? What will the number have to do with it?
The low bridge is at Limpley Stoke between Bath and Bradford on Avon which is why the D1x took the route it did. The bridges around Westbury/Yarnbrook are fine.
If i were a gambling man, i'd guess that the resurrected D1X (or whatever number it's given this time) will turn at North Bradley and sit between D1 journeys, much like the revised D2/D2X timetable is from April. There are currently a lot of grumbles regarding how crowded the morning journeys to Bath and afternoon journeys from Bath are on D1, so some strengthening of this corridor is definitely required.
Wonder why they got rid of it in the first place? I think it was a silly decision to get rid of it when they did.Yeh, I think it will be a resurrection of the later covid D1X with peaks running to Manor Farm, North Bradley.
The commerical service is only run to Trowbridge anyway daytimes with the rest of the route to Warminster, and evenings of the whole route subsidised by Wiltshire Council.
The bridge in Yarnbrook just by Platinum Motors is unmarked, the ones on the Hawkridge Rd and Slag Lane Westbury being 15ft. I don't suppose the bridge over the station at Westbury will ever get replaced until it's in danger of crumbling onto the tracks like the one at Bradford!
Indeed - for many years, it was operated by Bristol VRs as services 264/5B3108 at Limpley Stoke bridge is 4.1m (13'9")
Because passenger figures had fallen post Covid.Wonder why they got rid of it in the first place? I think it was a silly decision to get rid of it when they did.
According to FirstBus Manchester Enthusiast Group Facebook those planned for West of England are 37383/412/17/18/19/22/25/26 and 37676/7/8/9.Does anybody know which B9s we are getting from Manchester?
Soon as WECA have posted 1 possible new route on X.Does anyone know when the bus changes will be available?