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Jorge Da Silva
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No service via Warrington by TPE between Liverpool to Manchester since May 2018. No stops at Huyton. St Helens C I will add.
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You are right, but I think they are still on the East Midlands service that you have incorporated into your future TPE franchise.
It is just the location Lea Green which should be closer to Newton-Le-Willows, away from the junction so that it does not appear to be on both services.
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I don't think they stop at Birchwood (not regularly). I do not include limited stops only regular ones!
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Manchester is spaghetti
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It is difficult because the lines cross so it is the best I can do.
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As a friend from Sowerby Bridge keeps reminding me, the one missing link in the North that's easily achievable is the lack of services from the Calder Valley (Sowerby, Hebden, Todmorden) to Huddersfield. Historically the towns have had close links and Huddersfield remains the nearest major town to most of these places (Hudds having twice the population of Halifax), and yet there's no rail service linking them at all
Therefore the logical suggestion would be a TPE service from Man Vic to Huddersfield via Rochdale, Hebden and Brighouse. Some of it may be a duplication of Northern's current services, and paths might be tight considering Northern are intending to squeeze more services on the Calder, but it is providing something different rather than endless services to Leeds
Therefore the logical suggestion would be a TPE service from Man Vic to Huddersfield via Rochdale, Hebden and Brighouse. Some of it may be a duplication of Northern's current services, and paths might be tight considering Northern are intending to squeeze more services on the Calder, but it is providing something different rather than endless services to Leeds
Jorge Da Silva
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Probably best as Northern Connect
Why do you keep posing this?
Jorge Da Silva
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NORTHERN CONNECT
Have I missed anything?
Any potential changes that should happen?
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Poulton le Fylde on the Blackpool line.
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And Oxford Road
Maybe it's a computer/bot of some kind locked in a loop? We'll ask Mods if it can be detected and wiped automatically
Technically all the stops between Sheffield and Nottingham/Lincoln, although that may have been deliberate. Also I think the Northern Connect Sheffield - Leeds services will go via (and call at) Wakefield Westgate, not Kirkgate.
It would also be great to see this superimposed onto the TPE one to give a more logical sense of services, but I fear that would lead to untanglable spaghetti
.Great maps by the way!
Jorge Da Silva
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Technically all the stops between Sheffield and Nottingham/Lincoln, although that may have been deliberate. Also I think the Northern Connect Sheffield - Leeds services will go via (and call at) Wakefield Westgate, not Kirkgate.
It would also be great to see this superimposed onto the TPE one to give a more logical sense of services, but I fear that would lead to untanglable spaghetti
Great maps by the way!
Thank you. I could try and make one and see how it looks but I fear it will look dreadful.
I also believe that the service will run non-stop between Sheffield and Nottingham/Lincoln. The latter replaced by a Sheffield to Gainsborough service and the former will call at Chesterfield only. Does anyone know where I can see the calling patterns for Northern Connect
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Jorge Da Silva
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Technically all the stops between Sheffield and Nottingham/Lincoln, although that may have been deliberate. Also I think the Northern Connect Sheffield - Leeds services will go via (and call at) Wakefield Westgate, not Kirkgate.
It would also be great to see this superimposed onto the TPE one to give a more logical sense of services, but I fear that would lead to untanglable spaghetti
Great maps by the way!
The map is of Northern Connect
backontrack
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I think the Bradford service will serve Westgate and the Lincoln train will serve Kirkgate. I could be wrong though.
Also, I agree; great maps!
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Some of the maps are missing certain stations, because the calling patterns haven't been made known yet; we know the stops that are in the franchise agreements, but none of the others. It makes sense for the maps to only include the stops we already know about; Barnsley is an obvious omission, because I think the Lincoln services are meant to call there.
I'd wager that the Carlisle-Middlesbrough services will call at Haltwhistle and Haydon Bridge (not all of them, mind), Prudhoe, Durham, Stockton and Thornaby. The Windermere trains will serve Staveley, Burneside, Kendal and Oxenholme Lake District, while the Barrow trains will serve all stations to Carnforth; both routes may well also stop at Salford Crescent, Deansgate, Oxford Road and Heald Green (though I could be wrong). I doubt that the Blackpool services will miss out Poulton-le-Fylde, Buckshaw Parkway, Horwich Parkway, Salford Crescent, Deansgate, Oxford Road or Heald Green. I'd imagine that only one of the Calderdale services will skip Todmorden. Perhaps the Sheffield-Hull service will also serve Goole, Gilberdyke and Brough? And I'd hazard a guess that the York-Blackpool service will serve Poulton-le-Fylde, Accrington, Burnley Manchester Road, Hebden Bridge, New Pudsey, Cross Gates and Garforth. Once again, I could be wrong about all of this stuff.
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Calling patterns aren't set in stone until we see the timetable, but the franchise agreement required 2tph at Retford and Worksop, so they will presumably be stops between Sheffield and Lincoln, and Northern are not required to run any more trains than now to Nottingham, so the stopping pattern will be the same as now unless Northern choose (and can secure paths and units) to run an additional stopper.
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As well as that, Gainsborough Lea Road and Saxilby would both lose 1tph if Northern ran non-stop Sheffield-Lincoln; they won't, and they'll stop at Worksop, Retford, Gainsborough Lea Road and Saxilby (could they stop at Kiveton Park as well?).
Jorge Da Silva
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Could be worth looking at Glasgow-Leeds via Settle?
Been mentioned numerous times on this forum ,i think paths on WCML was problem.
Jorge Da Silva
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It would only be on WCML from Carlisle to Glasgow? is that full to capacity?
That sounds about right, thanks for clearing that up!
I always thought it would just take the path of the current stopper between Sheffield and Notts calling at all stations along the way. The Lincoln line is a little more complex, but I doubt it'd run non-stop there either.
Jorge Da Silva
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I think Lincoln is via Barnsley and Bradford via Westgate
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Would it be possible for the Northern Connect Blackpool North to York service to be joined with the new Norther service from York to Scarborough? This would give Scarborough 2tph to Leeds and could help to reduce overcrowding on TPE even more as well as giving Scarborough a Direct service to Preston for better connections to the WCML.
Jorge Da Silva
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I am amending the maps. TransPennine Express map I am planning on adding Morpeth to the map between Edinburgh and Newcastle. Any other changes I should include?
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This has been discussed a few times over a fair few threads. From my point of view I'd say its at least worth Northern / TPE thinking about it, whilst others argue that the XC service through Leeds to Glasgow is enough. However I'd say the current XC is a trundle at best, being far from a direct route, on an already congested service which shows little sign in the near future of a capacity increase.
So if say Northern were to add a few extensions of the S&C (we're not talking hourly here, so hopefully paths could be found) to Glasgow, the current 4-4.5 hour journey via Carlisle with some long interchanges there could be brought down to maybe 3.5-4 hours using a limited stop Connect service. A big improvement on the S&C option (which is offered as an option on journey planners), plus should have more capacity available throughout, with perhaps exceptions in the peaks which could be jest about avoided, meaning a quicker & more pleasant journey to that part of Scotland. It might also bring additional benefits in making tourism from Scotland to the Dales that bit easier.
The Friends of the S & C line agree, not surprisingly. I saw a copy of their magazine/newsletter only yesterday which reported a passenger survey they had done. Apparently a fair proportion of the people who answered their questions were travelling through to Scotland. (I have just had a quick look on their website but I can't see the report.)
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