Go Cornwall Bus

[cnjb8]

I believe there’s no age limit but a minimum Euro Standard

Thank you

 

[Kieanh4]

Has anyone tried a zone 4 ticket on First Kernow buses yet?

 

[richw]

Has anyone tried a zone 4 ticket on First Kernow buses yet?

Only Cornwall zone ticket is valid is my understanding

 

[embers25]

Only Cornwall zone ticket is valid is my understanding

So it is the ridiculous situation I feared of joint tickets not being valid into Plymouth on anything sigh...

 

[richw]

So it is the ridiculous situation I feared of joint tickets not being valid into Plymouth on anything sigh...

The TFC day ticket is valid on services boarding or disembarking within Cornwall for travel to Plymouth

 

[robbob700]

The TFC day ticket is valid on services boarding or disembarking within Cornwall for travel to Plymouth

That's not what it says on the Plymouth CityBus site. It says that they are only valid to the Devon border. Zone 4 tickets are valid in Plymouth and Cornwall, but are not valid on First Kernow.
AW 020620 AH 20-7530 CORNWALL ZONE MAP [A2] RED BG (passenger-website.com) (map of Plymouth CityBus zones also showing that TFC Day ticket is not valid beyond the Devon border)

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Just trying to work this out. Apologies if I'm not getting it but is it:

• You can buy a day ticket, or indeed any ticket, from either Go Cornwall Bus or First Kernow and those operators (and others under the TfC banner) will accept each other's tickets across Cornwall.
• However, it between Saltash and Plymouth where inter availability doesn't exist; you can have a Zone 4 ticket into Plymouth on GCB but it's not valid on Stagecoach.

Is that the issue?

 

[robbob700]

I think the issue is that the Zone 4 ticket (including Plymouth) is not valid on First Kernow Buses, only Go Cornwall,
The Cornwall ticket is valid on all buses in Cornwall but not into Plymouth.

 

[richw]

I think the issue is that the Zone 4 ticket (including Plymouth) is not valid on First Kernow Buses, only Go Cornwall,
The Cornwall ticket is valid on all buses in Cornwall but not into Plymouth.

That being because zone 4 ticket is a Plymouth Citybus brand product not a Transport for Cornwall?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I think the issue is that the Zone 4 ticket (including Plymouth) is not valid on First Kernow Buses, only Go Cornwall,
The Cornwall ticket is valid on all buses in Cornwall but not into Plymouth.

Given that First Kernow don't make it much past St Austell these days, how much of an issue would that be? If it's a lack of inter-availability between Stagecoach and Go Ahead between Plymouth and Saltash, then I could understand that being a problem. However, is it that people can't travel from First Kernow territory e.g. St Austell to Plymouth? Is that what's being said or am I still not getting it?

 

[richw]

However, is it that people can't travel from First Kernow territory e.g. St Austell to Plymouth? Is that what's being said or am I still not getting it?

That’s my interpretation to what’s being raised. The Cornwall ticket is valid to the county border.
The Plymouth Citybus zone 4 ticket has acceptance on Go Ahead operated Transport for Cornwall services and is valid on all Go Southwest services. Appears not to be valid with other operators as a Plymouth product.
Give one thing and some people just want more!

 

[jammy36]

Give one thing and some people just want more!

Indeed, and is this actually a real world issue or something that might only bother a very small number of enthusiasts, but not the travelling public.

 

[richw]

Indeed, and is this actually a real world issue or something that might only bother a very small number of enthusiasts, but not the travelling public.

On the basis of 40/50 miles between the most eastern Kernow (discounting college services) and the county border I agree it’s unlikely to affect anyone but a minority of enthusiasts.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Indeed, and is this actually a real world issue or something that might only bother a very small number of enthusiasts, but not the travelling public.

I guess it's up to @embers25 to clarify what they mean. If it's Saltash to Plymouth, or if it's from FK-land to Plymouth.

 

[RELL6L]

Looks like a fair few service alterations from 11 April, including some notable cuts.
Timetables on Traveline, usual caveats.
Most notable seems to be that the 11 now only runs from Plymouth to Trago Mills, apart from a couple of college journeys to Bodmin. The 10 takes on Bodmin to Padstow while the Wadebridge to Launceston section becomes the 96. Nothing between Liskeard and Bodmin. This was, of course, an old commercial route ex Western Greyhound, maybe they are hoping for a subsidy?
Also 89 seems much changed and reduced, 50 to St Mawes becomes every 90 minutes (but the connecting 51 at Tregony unchanged?!)
Nothing on Go Ahead website yet, still trying to work it out.
First changes not yet on I don't think.

 

[farwest]

Would be better if the 50 was two hourly Truro to St.Mawes and the 51 was two hourly from Truro to Veryan like it used to be. I should think the 51 going St. Austell and not to Truro has lost all its trade.

Seems amazing that the 88 has not been chopped. It would have made more sense if the 315 had been extended from St. Agnes to Newquay. Newquay to Goonhavern has a good service on the U!. Goonhavern to Blackwater goes through nowhere. Every time apart from one trip I have been the only person on it from Redruth.

 

[DaveHarries]

Looks like a fair few service alterations from 11 April, including some notable cuts.
Timetables on Traveline, usual caveats.
Most notable seems to be that the 11 now only runs from Plymouth to Trago Mills, apart from a couple of college journeys to Bodmin. The 10 takes on Bodmin to Padstow while the Wadebridge to Launceston section becomes the 96. Nothing between Liskeard and Bodmin. This was, of course, an old commercial route ex Western Greyhound, maybe they are hoping for a subsidy?
Also 89 seems much changed and reduced, 50 to St Mawes becomes every 90 minutes (but the connecting 51 at Tregony unchanged?!)
Nothing on Go Ahead website yet, still trying to work it out.
First changes not yet on I don't think.

I am surprised by the loss of the link from Wadebridge to Trago Mills: on the occasions I have done work errands to Wadebridge I have had to make my way back by train so I go through to Plymouth and get the train to Bristol there as it is cheaper from Plymouth than from Bodmin Parkway. There have always been passengers between Wadebridge, Bodmin and Trago Mills when I have done that run so poor show (IMO) by GCB.

Other changes I see from 10th April:

- Service 1 (TfC) (Penzance - Lands End, via. Zennor & St. Just) looks set to change but the new timetable is not yet on TravelineSW

- Service 2 (Praa Sands - Penzance) looks to be largely chopped, bar one schoolday journey. FDC U4 seemingly not going to replace it.

- Service 5 (Penzance - Newlyn - Sheffield) sees revisions to its timetable with evening journeys running Penzance to Gwavas only.

- Service 7 (Penzance - Lands End, via. Zennor & St. Just) looks set to change but the new timetable is not yet on TravelineSW

- Service 12 / 12A (Plymouth - Launceston - Bude) sees a revised timetable although I cannot immediately see any changes to the route: journey lengths to Bude seem unchanged.

- Service 16 / 16A (Heamoor - Penzance - St. Ives) sees a revised timetable. Quite a few departures later from Penzance than at present and journeys via. Lower Ninnes to terminate at Halsetown rather than St. Ives.

- Service 18 (Lower Boscaswell - St. Just - Penzance) has a revised timetable with evening journeys running earlier than at present.

- Service 21 (Newquay - St. Austell) Revised timings from Newquay on journeys to / from St. Austell as well as extra journeys between Pentire and Quintrell Downs. The extension from Newquay to Pentire would, IIRC, normally be summer season only but see Service 58.

- Service 25 (Fowey - St. Austell) extends to Newquay.

- Service 25A (St. Austell - Luxulyan) looks set to change but the new timetable is not yet on TravelineSW

- Service 26 / 26A (St. Austell - Bodmin): Revised timetable with loss of 26A and 27A. Sundays and Bank Holidays every 2 hours from Truro rather than hourly.

- Service 29 (St. Austell - Newquay, via. Trewoon & St. Stephen) is merged with Service 25 as above.

- Service 29 (St. Austell - Victoria (Cornwall Services) via. Roche) appears to be a new route replacing withdrawn Service 26A. Hourly service though on Mondays to Saturdays whereas the 26A was every 2 hours. Sundays and Bank Holidays every 2 hours on this 29 though as with the 27A.

- Service 33 (Plymouth Citybus) (City Centre - Milehouse - Keyham - Ford - Milehouse - City Centre) seems set to pass to Transport for Cornwall from Plymouth Citybus and will no longer serve Milehouse with the route being changed instead to cover Stoke: the route will therefore be City Centre - Stoke - Keyham - Ford - Stoke - City Centre. No change in frequency.

- Service 34 (Pool - Camborne - Helston - The Lizard) has minor tweaks to its timetable

- Service 36 (Truro - Stithians - Helston) Edit: Service extended through to St. Keverne, via. RNAS Culdrose, Mawgan, Goonhilly and Coverack.

- Service 45 (Camborne - Troon - Pool - Camborne) is revised. Same frequency of service but converted to a circular route. Service 45 will operate Camborne - Pool - Pengegon - Beacon - Camborne as a circular route but journeys operating in the reverse direction (Camborne - Beacon - Pengegon Roundabout - Pool - Camborne) will be numbered as Service 45A. No journeys via. Tolvaddon, Roskear Croft, Piece, Four Lanes, Blackrock, Croft Mitchell or Troon.

- Service 46 (Camborne - Truro) no longer to serve Weeth school. Timing point at Tuckingmill changed to Dulcoath Road which does not appear in the current timetable.

- Service 47 (Camborne - Pool - Redruth - Truro) extends from Camborne to Troon, via. Beacon. (I guess this may be to compensate for the loss of Service 45 between Troon and Camborne.)

The changes to Services 50 & 51 (Truro - St. Mawes / Veryan) have been mentioned above.

- Service 54 (Bodmin Town) looks set to change but no new timetable is currently available on TravelineSW. However a new timetable has appeared for the 54A with 4 journeys on the 54A as at present and no Service 54 journeys so I presume the 54 is being dropped.

- Service 56 (Newquay - Padstow) has fewer journeys via. Trevarrian. Departure times from Newquay towards Padstow unchanged but arrival in Padstow 10 minutes later than at present but timings are roughly the same as at present for journeys heading the other way.

- Service 58 (Newquay - Trenance - Pentire - Newquay) has a new route and timetable which excludes Pentire (see Service 21) so given as Newquay - Trenance - Newquay.

- Services 70/70A/70B (Plymouth - Cremyll / Cawsand / Millbrook) look set to change but the link on TravelineSW for the new timetable links to the current timetable so I am not sure what is likely to happen there.

- Service 71 (Liskeard - Saltash - Derriford Hospital) is withdrawn between Liskeard and Saltash but a consistent hourly service continues between Derriford Hospital and Saltash. I would have thought that this would be a well-used route given the convenience of its link to Derriford Hospital for areas such as Saltash, Liskeard and St. Germans but perhaps not.

- Service 72 (Plymouth - Polperro) has a new route and timetable by which the 1720 Plymouth - Polperro omits St. Germans. There are, however, additional journeys between Saltash and Plymouth City Centre but, oddly, only in that direction (unless they have been accidentally missed from the Plymouth - Saltash direction) and these don't interwork with the revised Service 71.

- Service 73 (Liskeard - Polperro) has a new timetable with more journeys (roughly hourly) running via. Widegates. Evening journeys are also provided (for the summer season only, I think) between Looe (Tregoad Park) and Polperro.

- Service 74 (Callington - Liskeard) has a revised timetable but, as far as I can see, the only change is that the 1515 Callington - Liskeard will not operate to Liskeard Railway Station.

- Service 76 / 76A (Bodmin / Trewint - Launceston) has a reduced level of service.

- Service 79 (Callington - Tavistock) has a slightly revised timetable, the most noticeable change being that the 79A departing Callington at 1230 is revised to follow the route of Service 79. One or two journeys are also missing from the new timetable which is a basic one every 2 hour frequency of service.

- Service 85 (Newquay - Truro): no change to timings or route between Newquay and Truro Bus Station but no buses between Truro Bus Station and Chellew Road.

- Service 89 (Callywith College - Truro) has a revised route and timetable. 0730 Summercourt - Truro to start back from St. Columb Major at 0712 and other journeys to be rerouted between Lanivet and Indian Queens via. Bugle, Roche and St. Dennis.

- Service 93 (Newquay - Truro) has a new timetable which no longer includes the schoolday journeys. It also now extends beyond Truro Bus Station to operate Bus Station - Railway Station - Sainsburys - Railway Station. Timings between Newquay and Truro Bus Station as at present but with very slight variations at the Truro end.

- Service 95 (Bude - Wadebridge - Truro) is withdrawn between St. Columb Major and Truro. More consistent routing and timetable with all journeys serving King's Hill Industrial Estate (Bude) and Box's Shop. Departure times in both directions are earlier than at present.

And that, as far as I can see, is that! If I haven't mentioned the route then it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. Sorry for the essay.

Dave

 

[richw]

I am surprised by the loss of the link from Wadebridge to Trago Mills: on the occasions I have done work errands to Wadebridge I have had to make my way back by train so I go through to Plymouth and get the train to Bristol there as it is cheaper from Plymouth than from Bodmin Parkway. There have always been passengers between Wadebridge, Bodmin and Trago Mills when I have done that run so poor show (IMO) by GCB.

Dave

I know a fair few people who use the 11 to commute from Bodmin to Plymouth.

 

[DaveHarries]

I know a fair few people who use the 11 to commute from Bodmin to Plymouth.

I have emailed GCB over the loss of the link in order to see if any plans might be in the offing for Trago Mills - Wadebridge. I suspect the answer will probably be "no" but you never know if you don't ask. Meanwhile I ahve added in the remaining changes above that I can find.

Dave

 

[Megabus]

Service 33 will remain with Citybus, no reason for it to have anything to do with Cornwall operations. It will follow the 70(a) route out of Plymouth to Ford and Keyham.

So to substitute for this, the 70(a) will now run via Milehouse to Stoke and the Torpoint Ferry.

The 70B will no longer go to Portwrinkle as this will be served by the 75 only.

 

[fgwrich]

Service 33 will remain with Citybus, no reason for it to have anything to do with Cornwall operations. It will follow the 70(a) route out of Plymouth to Ford and Keyham.

So to substitute for this, the 70(a) will now run via Milehouse to Stoke and the Torpoint Ferry.

The 70B will no longer go to Portwrinkle as this will be served by the 75 only.

I'm not surprised - I did a double take at that one given it doesn't even cross the border!

Dropping the connection between Bodmin and Liskeard / Plymouth seems crazy. I'm surprised about the extension of the 25 to run from Fowey to Newquay as well, which with the extension of First Kernow's U route up from Truro, seems to have done quite well for connections of late.

 

[DaveHarries]

Dropping the connection between Bodmin and Liskeard / Plymouth seems crazy. I'm surprised about the extension of the 25 to run from Fowey to Newquay as well, which with the extension of First Kernow's U route up from Truro, seems to have done quite well for connections of late.

Agreed about Newquay having done quite well of late. As for the 25 I believe it has run Fowey - St. Austell - Newquay before. The current timetables for the 25 and 29 don't interwork but the timings are quite close so perhaps there is some sense in merging the two routes.

Meanwhile I have found that there is a minor tweek to Service 39A (Penzance - Camborne) which is that the schooldays only note on the 0754 Leedstown - Penzance is removed. Timings are revised at the Penzance end with the same timetable running regardless of whether school holidays or no. Also the new timetable features Long Rock (Mexico Inn) as a timing point: it does not appear on the current timetable at all.

Dave

 

[richw]

Service 72 (Plymouth - Polperro) has a new route and timetable by which the 1720 Plymouth - Polperro omits St. Germans. There are, however, additional journeys between Saltash and Plymouth City Centre but, oddly, only in that direction (unless they have been accidentally missed from the Plymouth - Saltash direction) and these don't interwork with the revised Service 71.

I don’t see St Germans on the new 72 timetable at all? In fact I can’t find any service calling st Germans!


Link to timetable http://nationaljourneyplanner.trave...td3_contractorMacro=&line=swe:32072: :H:y10:2

 

[LAIRA]

I don’t see St Germans on the new 72 timetable at all? In fact I can’t find any service calling st Germans!


Link to timetable http://nationaljourneyplanner.travelinesw.com/swe-ttb/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?deleteAssignedStops_ttb=1&command=direct&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&type_ttb=any&language=en&sessionID=0&requestID=0&itdLPxx_template=tableResults&coordOutputFormat=WGS84[dd.ddddd]&outputFormat=0&std3_commonMacro=ttb&std3_contractorMacro=&line=swe:32072: :H:

I don’t see St Germans on the new 72 timetable at all? In fact I can’t find any service calling st Germans!


Link to timetable http://nationaljourneyplanner.travelinesw.com/swe-ttb/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?deleteAssignedStops_ttb=1&command=direct&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&type_ttb=any&language=en&sessionID=0&requestID=0&itdLPxx_template=tableResults&coordOutputFormat=WGS84[dd.ddddd]&outputFormat=0&std3_commonMacro=ttb&std3_contractorMacro=&line=swe:32072: :H:y10:2

So have St Germans & Menheniot both lost their bus services?
I agree last the loss of the 11 to Bodmin Parkway will cut off East Cornwall from the rest of the county.

 

[Brooke]

So have St Germans & Menheniot both lost their bus services?
I agree last the loss of the 11 to Bodmin Parkway will cut off East Cornwall from the rest of the county.

That would be quite a loss if indeed the case.

Perhaps the logic is “well they’ve both got a train station so it’s OK” - from somone who doesn’t really know where Menheniot station is in relation to the village!

 

[richw]

So have St Germans & Menheniot both lost their bus services?
I agree last the loss of the 11 to Bodmin Parkway will cut off East Cornwall from the rest of the county.

There’s a 77 menheniot to looe via Liskeard and Pelynt

 

[MotCO]

Who's instigating these changes? Is Go-Ahead revising its commercial network based on financial returns, or is Transport for Cornwall revising its network based on passenger flows?

 

[Busaholic]

Meanwhile I have found that there is a minor tweek to Service 39A (Penzance - Camborne) which is that the schooldays only note on the 0754 Leedstown - Penzance is removed. Timings are revised at the Penzance end with the same timetable running regardless of whether school holidays or no. Also the new timetable features Long Rock (Mexico Inn) as a timing point: it does not appear on the current timetable at all.

Dave

The current 39A takes the Long Rock bypass so it's returning to previous routeing. The aim is probably to serve the Morrison's stop.

 

[LAIRA]

There’s a 77 menheniot to looe via Liskeard and Pelynt

Thanks for the informatoin. Just checked the timetable and on Saturdays it only runs from Menheniot to Looe but not the return!

 

[DaveHarries]

I don’t see St Germans on the new 72 timetable at all? In fact I can’t find any service calling st Germans!


Link to timetable http://nationaljourneyplanner.travelinesw.com/swe-ttb/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?deleteAssignedStops_ttb=1&command=direct&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&type_ttb=any&language=en&sessionID=0&requestID=0&itdLPxx_template=tableResults&coordOutputFormat=WGS84[dd.ddddd]&outputFormat=0&std3_commonMacro=ttb&std3_contractorMacro=&line=swe:32072: :H:y10:2

No, I said that the revised 72 omits (ie. does not serve) St. Germans.

Dave