GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[Wilts Wanderer]

Although the reverse is also true, with some platforms being used for things that the SA says "can't" happen... e.g. sending a class 150 into platform 5 at Huddersfield (which is 39m according to the SA).

In that case I suspect a risk assessment has been done to enable this occur, as the passenger doors are at 1/3 and 2/3 position. I’ve seen a similar thing in place at Newbury which permits a 130m 5-car 80x into the bay platform which I believe leaves the nose cone overhanging on the ramp.

 

[REVUpminster]

165 on unusual working because of the failed train between Totnes and Plymouth which I think ended up in Hemerdon and a XCountry blocking Newton Abbot platform 1 for a couple of hours. Don't know why they didn't send it to Paignton for an hour or so; maybe not road trained. The 165 training train working 5Z57 did it usual run empty to Paignton reversed as 5Z58 back to Newton Abbot platform 2 where it reversed again to Totnes platform 2. Here it became 1Z58 and worked passenger to Exeter St David's only stopping at Newton Abbot.

So some Kudos must go to the controller signalman, and train crew for such an unusual working.

 

[PHILIPE]

165131 today worked 2P51 0725 Exeter St Davids to Plymouth vice IET returning ECS to take up it's training programme. Not the first time a Turbo has worked this as a 166 has worked on a past occasion.

 

[PHILIPE]

Presuming perhaps on change of service, there are 2 x 166s on Exmouth to Paignton and another on the Tarka (Barnstaple) today rather than just the one on Exmouth to Paigntons.

 

[REVUpminster]

Help. 2F26 was 166--- ? at Paignton today depart 16.12 and 5Z55/66 was 166204 training 1627 at Paignton. 150243 arrived at 16.21 to platform 1 had to shunt from platform 1 to 2 to depart 16.40. Not on real time. Love a bit of shunting at Paignton.

166216 (school train) this morning working 2T07.

There seem to be more turbos about.

 

[JN114]

2F26 was 166--- ?

166216

There seem to be more turbos about.

Yes. @PHILIPE confirmed as much in the post literally above your own - 3x as many infact.

 

[Travellin’man]

Could anyone advise please if the services that serve Brighton are now all turbos or is there the odd 158. Likewise the CDF /PMH. Are they now all turbos. Many thanks

 

[PHILIPE]

Could anyone advise please if the services that serve Brighton are now all turbos or is there the odd 158. Likewise the CDF /PMH. Are they now all turbos. Many thanks

158s still play their part. 2 pairs of 2 Cars run to Portsmouth and one 3 Car to Brighton

 

[pompeyfan]

I believe the morning Brighton is now booked 158

 

[Travellin’man]

158s still play their part. 2 pairs of 2 Cars run to Portsmouth and one 3 Car to Brighton

I would be grateful if you know which workings are likely to be the 2x2 or is it just pot luck. Many thanks for the Brighton info

 

[PHILIPE]

I would be grateful if you know which workings are likely to be the 2x2 or is it just pot luck. Many thanks for the Brighton info

0551 Bristol to Portsmouth Hbr
0923 Portsmouth to Cardiff
1330 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1723 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff

0630 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1023 Portsmouth Hbr to Cardiff
1430 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1824 Portsmouth Hbr to Cardiff

 

[HamworthyGoods]

0551 Bristol to Portsmouth Hbr
0923 Portsmouth to Cardiff
1330 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1723 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff

0630 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1023 Portsmouth Hbr to Cardiff
1430 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr
1923 Portsmouth Hbr to Cardiff

The 1430 ex Cardiff Central returns on the 18.24 from Pompey.

 

[PHILIPE]

The 1430 ex Cardiff Central returns on the 18.24 from Pompey.

My mistake when I knew it was 1824

 

[Grid56005]

Yesterday’s 1023 P Hbr to Cardiff was a single 158, whilst today’s was a 166. So I guess a bit pot luck

 

[PHILIPE]

Yesterday’s 1023 P Hbr to Cardiff was a single 158, whilst today’s was a 166. So I guess a bit pot luck

What is diagrammed and what happens on the day can often be quire different for availability reasons.

 

[Tommy Walters]

I note now that there's a now a regular 2F05 from Temple Meads - Exmouth early on the morning, which is obviously the way the 2nd Avocet Turbo gets down to Devon. My assumption then based on the previous scheduled diagrams is that the two turbos are then in sequence on the Exmouth branch for the remainder of the day.

Not sure how the Tarka Turbo gets down to Exeter though, and indeed also unsure on how many units go back to Bristol in the evenings and when.

 

[JN114]

So weekdays for the past week at least there have only been 2 Turbo diagrams in the Exeter area, both on Exmouth duties and both diagrammed for 166s.

Day 1 the unit comes down from Bristol on 2F05 as identified, overnights at Exeter TMD, then day 2 it does more Exmouths before ending up on 2M72 2116 Exeter Bristol.

Tarka line has been diagrammed solid 158 3 car all week.

 

[Tommy Walters]

So weekdays for the past week at least there have only been 2 Turbo diagrams in the Exeter area, both on Exmouth duties and both diagrammed for 166s.

Day 1 the unit comes down from Bristol on 2F05 as identified, overnights at Exeter TMD, then day 2 it does more Exmouths before ending up on 2M72 2116 Exeter Bristol.

Tarka line has been diagrammed solid 158 3 car all week.

Thanks for clarifying. Today things didn't seem to run per plan, and the 2F05 was seemingly worked by a pair of 150s (was also started from WSM, presumably linked to the traction swap). The two turbos were 166212, which started on 2T02 from Exeter & 166207 which followed 30 mins behind on 2T03. Sadly the latter has since been swapped for 150263 and dumped in Exeter TMD.

There's also a 158, 158958 on the Avocet today, which started on 2T06. I presume it was either this on 150263 on its own, so probably came out for the sake of some extra capacity.

I assume the second Turbo is intended to replace the one diagram that was previously worked by a 2 car 150, enabling capacity to be strengthened, as well as freeing up 150s to be doubled up on the Newquay & St Ives branches.

 

[PHILIPE]

Thanks for clarifying. Today things didn't seem to run per plan, and the 2F05 was seemingly worked by a pair of 150s (was also started from WSM, presumably linked to the traction swap). The two turbos were 166212, which started on 2T02 from Exeter & 166207 which followed 30 mins behind on 2T03. Sadly the latter has since been swapped for 150263 and dumped in Exeter TMD.

There's also a 158, 158958 on the Avocet today, which started on 2T06. I presume it was either this on 150263 on its own, so probably came out for the sake of some extra capacity.

I assume the second Turbo is intended to replace the one diagram that was previously worked by a 2 car 150, enabling capacity to be strengthened, as well as freeing up 150s to be doubled up on the Newquay & St Ives branches.

The Newquay Branch is never doubled up but the St Ives is from Easter to October. Swaps like you mention take place all over the Network on a daily basis. You only have to have one failure to have a rolling knock on effect.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The Newquay Branch is never doubled up but the St Ives is from Easter to October. Swaps like you mention take place all over the Network on a daily basis. You only have to have one failure to have a rolling knock on effect.

The Newquay branch is doubled up on Summer Saturdays this year to compensate for the loss of the direct intercity services.

 

[Tommy Walters]

The Newquay Branch is never doubled up but the St Ives is from Easter to October. Swaps like you mention take place all over the Network on a daily basis. You only have to have one failure to have a rolling knock on effect.

I went on the Newquay branch today (hence my observations on my route to get there) and it is being doubled up this year, at least on Saturdays. A set works a 2N02 from Exeter, which attaches to the unit which stables overnight in Par on the second trip up the branch.

 

[Grid56005]

Slightly off topic but I’m told a 150 worked to Weymouth this morning due to a turbo shortage

 

[Tommy Walters]

Slightly off topic but I’m told a 150 worked to Weymouth this morning due to a turbo shortage

Would Bristol/Westbury drivers even still have 150s on their traction cards? Or would the previous history/similarity to 158s count towards that?

 

[Jim]

Would Bristol/Westbury drivers even still have 150s on their traction cards? Or would the previous history/similarity to 158s count towards that?

Enough do to get by.

 

[dmu fan]

Can I ask what class of train will make up the 0740 gloucester to Weymouth and 1723 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads this season. 2 year ago for our annual day out to Weymouth was a 158 both ways. How many carriages possibly?

 

[JN114]

The equivalent trains are the 0707 Worcester to Weymouth, which is diagrammed to be a 4 car 165 (2x 2 car) Weekdays, and the 1723 Weymouth to Bristol TM is diagrammed as a 3 car 166.

Usual caveats of subject to disruption etc apply

 

[dmu fan]

The equivalent trains are the 0707 Worcester to Weymouth, which is diagrammed to be a 4 car 165 (2x 2 car) Weekdays, and the 1723 Weymouth to Bristol TM is diagrammed as a 3 car 166.

Usual caveats of subject to disruption etc apply

Thanks for that info. Any idea of what is diagrammed for the same services on a Saturday? There still shows the extra Saturday only Bristol to Weymouth shortly after 0900.

 

[REVUpminster]

Here's one for the experts. Presume? it's a 165 or 166 operating today 5Z41 St David's to Paignton arrive 18.08 leaves at 18.12 for Crediton as 5Z48 arriving at 19.04 shunts to platform 1 and returns to Exeter Depot 19.15 arriving 19.36. So not going to Okehampton. Might try and catch it on Dawlish cams.

Not long after 6G75 comes down from Westbury

 

[Jim]

Here's one for the experts. Presume? it's a 165 or 166 operating today 5Z41 St David's to Paignton arrive 18.08 leaves at 18.12 for Crediton as 5Z48 arriving at 19.04 shunts to platform 1 and returns to Exeter Depot 19.15 arriving 19.36. So not going to Okehampton. Might try and catch it on Dawlish cams.

Not long after 6G75 comes down from Westbury

Not operating today (unless a unit has moved down since yesterday)

 

[Siemens Staines]

Was this 166201 returning home to Bristol this morning?

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