GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[fgwrich]

Yes a bad day at Exmouth with the holiday season getting started. Part of the reason seems to be 150s out of service, including the long-absent 150202. There's a concern that any which go off for overhaul will turn out to be so corroded that they might not be back any time soon.

**Calling TFW, Got any spare 150s yet please?**

Actually, it does make you wonder what is happening with the Chirk pair - if Brodies Rail can repair the submerged and written off 156478, surely at least one of that pair could be returned to service for someone?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

**Calling TFW, Got any spare 150s yet please?**

Actually, it does make you wonder what is happening with the Chirk pair - if Brodies Rail can repair the submerged and written off 156478, surely at least one of that pair could be returned to service for someone?

Chirk pair? I presume you mean the Craven Arms pair, that are I believe being inspected and in the process of being repaired at Chrysalis Landore.

 

[fgwrich]

Chirk pair? I presume you mean the Craven Arms pair, that are I believe being inspected and in the process of being repaired at Chrysalis Landore.

That's the one, good to hear there may be some progress with them at last, as we're coming up to a year (next week) without them.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Yes a bad day at Exmouth with the holiday season getting started. Part of the reason seems to be 150s out of service, including the long-absent 150202. There's a concern that any which go off for overhaul will turn out to be so corroded that they might not be back any time soon.

Oh dear It looks like this summer could be a rough one for the route then, made even more irritating by the knowledge that the West were subject to more 165s released by 769s but now of course won't get them.

That's the one, good to hear there may be some progress with them at last, as we're coming up to a year (next month) without them.

My gosh, has it really been a year already? How that has flown.

 

[fgwrich]

Oh dear It looks like this summer could be a rough one for the route then, made even more irritating by the knowledge that the West were subject to more 165s released by 769s but now of course won't get them.


My gosh, has it really been a year already? How that has flown.

22nd of May last year, so a week away from 1 year of it.

 

[Benjwri]

Oh dear It looks like this summer could be a rough one for the route then, made even more irritating by the knowledge that the West were subject to more 165s released by 769s but now of course won't get them.

Not to forget MetroWest enhancements adding strain to the network, very interested to see how the start of next week plays out.

 

[Anonymous10]

Not to forget MetroWest enhancements adding strain to the network, very interested to see how the start of next week plays out.

I'm expecting similar to tfw last year with many cancellations short forms and early termination

 

[FGW_DID]

165104 is heading West on Friday.

Realtime Trains | 5Z41 1204 Reading Traincare Depot to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 19/05/2023

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[TT-ONR-NRN]

165104 is heading West on Friday.

Realtime Trains | 5Z41 1204 Reading Traincare Depot to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 19/05/2023

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What’s enabling that?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

What’s enabling that?

Service withdrawals on the North Downs from the May TT change saves a 165 diagram at Reading.

The trains in question are the 07.01 Shalford to Reading, 08.20 Reading to Guildford and 09.14 Guildford to Reading are all removed from the timetable Monday to Fridays.

 

[Snow1964]

158 958 (3car) is on a Portsmouth-Cardiff working today, it is one of the 3car units made up with split 2car unit. Wasn't plan going to be returned to 2car for new timetable in 2 days time

 

[Jrocks]

Only 2 of the 158/9s were due to be split back down, believe 956 and 957 were chosen as the lucky ones but happy to be corrected on the numbers!

 

[REVUpminster]

Strange 4 166s down here today, 150s all two unit and a 158 (3 car) working Okehampton. What is so different today than yesterday. Has a box of spare parts arrived? Has a fitter been off sick? An avalanche of emails, texts, and phone calls?

 

[Apedlar12]

Only 2 of the 158/9s were due to be split back down, believe 956 and 957 were chosen as the lucky ones but happy to be corrected on the numbers!

Yes, I was told 956 and 957 as well but only when 165103 moves West apparently...

 

[REVUpminster]

Yes, I was told 956 and 957 as well but only when 165103 moves West apparently...

They are at Exeter usually on Barnstaples; does this mean they are likely be paired to a 150 in future?, or be used to Okehampton freeing the 150s there?

3 car 158s operated to Okehampton yesterday and today.

 

[Xavi]

They are at Exeter usually on Barnstaples; does this mean they are likely be paired to a 150 in future?, or be used to Okehampton freeing the 150s there?

Barnstaple will be operated by the remaining 3-car 158s. The reformed 2-cars will operate Cardiff-Portsmouth.

 

[Anonymous10]

Barnstaple will be operated by the remaining 3-car 158s. The reformed 2-cars will operate Cardiff-Portsmouth.

Hopefully as doubled formations the cardiff Portsmouth route could get extremely over crowded on a 2 coach formation.

 

[Snow1964]

Hopefully as doubled formations the cardiff Portsmouth route could get extremely over crowded on a 2 coach formation.

They do, occasionally get 2car 158 on Cardiff-Portsmouth currently, seen people left behind at some stops and a 5-6 minute dwell at Bath Spa as the churn tries to sort itself out.

In theory won't be any 2car on new timetable (but there shouldn't in current timetable either, and far too frequently are).

 

[Anonymous10]

They do, occasionally get 2car 158 on Cardiff-Portsmouth currently, seen people left behind at some stops and a 5-6 minute dwell at Bath Spa as the churn tries to sort itself out.

In theory won't be any 2car on new timetable (but there shouldn't in current timetable either, and far too frequently are).

Yes I think the next Southampton trip is going to go via Reading.

 

[FGW_DID]

165104 is heading West on Friday.

Realtime Trains | 5Z41 1204 Reading Traincare Depot to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 19/05/2023

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This had been changed to 165105, however the whole move has been put on ice for a week.

As ever, watch this space……

 

[penguin8967]

Looks like todays 2E70 15:30 Warminster-Worcester is getting a unit swap at Gloucester from a 158 to a 166, seems strange.

I believe 2E70 is normally formed of 2 158s and splits at Gloucester, with half continuing to Worcester then the other half forming a service to Salisbury via Swindon. The set swap was presumably to allow the 158 to be used for the Salisbury service.

 

[FGW_DID]

I believe 2E70 is normally formed of 2 158s and splits at Gloucester, with half continuing to Worcester then the other half forming a service to Salisbury via Swindon. The set swap was presumably to allow the 158 to be used for the Salisbury service.

Correct - 2 units
Rear portion continues 2E70 to Worcester Foregate Street.
Front portion forms 2O09 17:50 Gloucester - Salisbury

 

[Snow1964]

According to real time trains, todays 1F10 08:23 Portsmouth - Cardiff will be an 8car set to Bristol, then after reversal just back 3cars continue to Cardiff.

Will be bit messy for those getting on at Wessex stations limited to 5car platforms wanting to go through to Wales as will have to change unit.

Possibly an allocation error as 07:23 doesn't appear to have been allocated a train, unless it is an overtime ban effect

 

[RPI]

According to real time trains, todays 1F10 08:23 Portsmouth - Cardiff will be an 8car set to Bristol, then after reversal just back 3cars continue to Cardiff.

Will be bit messy for those getting on at Wessex stations limited to 5car platforms wanting to go through to Wales as will have to change unit.

Possibly an allocation error as 07:23 doesn't appear to have been allocated a train, unless it is an overtime ban effect

If it is an 8 car then the rear 3 will be locked out of use

 

[ls2270]

If it is an 8 car then the rear 3 will be locked out of use

Yes I can confirm that is the situation with the 0823 (1F10). The 0723 (1F08) is cancelled due to lack of a driver.

 

[Snow1964]

If it is an 8 car then the rear 3 will be locked out of use

Would they keep it locked out of use until Bristol, or unlock it at Bath, if back unit is only one continuing after Bristol

 

[Jim]

If a driver is available at the right time and deemed to cause less delay, the done thing here would be to just split the London end unit off and shunt it out the way in a speedy fashion to stop the customers having to shunt.

 

[Snow1964]

There are some interesting oddities in the new timetable

eg 06:18 2V69 Yeovil Pen Mill to Bristol Abbey Wood which has
Reservations recommended between Yeovil Pen Mill and Frome,
Reservations available from Frome (can you really book a seat on a commuter train).

The 21:21 1F35 Bristol - Portsmouth has a duplicate Q path 21:21 1F95 Bristol - Portsmouth (via Eastleigh)

The 17:01 2O16 is a Severn Beach - Salisbury working, have these ever been linked on a through train before. Also has most variants of station stops : Portway P&R (unadvertised), Bristol TM (reversal), Avoncliffe (front door only), Dilton Marsh (request).

 

[Train Boy]

eg 06:18 2V69 Yeovil Pen Mill to Bristol Abbey Wood which has
Reservations recommended between Yeovil Pen Mill and Frome,
Reservations available from Frome (can you really book a seat on a commuter train).

This was always the case on the 0526 Weymouth - Filton Abbey Wood, the equivalent in the last timetable - but obviously reservations weren't possible. Always wondered why or when that originated from.

 

[RPI]

There are some interesting oddities in the new timetable

eg 06:18 2V69 Yeovil Pen Mill to Bristol Abbey Wood which has
Reservations recommended between Yeovil Pen Mill and Frome,
Reservations available from Frome (can you really book a seat on a commuter train).

The 21:21 1F35 Bristol - Portsmouth has a duplicate Q path 21:21 1F95 Bristol - Portsmouth (via Eastleigh)

The 17:01 2O16 is a Severn Beach - Salisbury working, have these ever been linked on a through train before. Also has most variants of station stops : Portway P&R (unadvertised), Bristol TM (reversal), Avoncliffe (front door only), Dilton Marsh (request).

The Q path for 1F35 is probably for engineering works, there's an oven ready path then for it to go via Eastleigh.