GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[Domh245]

All well and good, but just because these trains are fairly competitive with other rail services doesn't mean people actually make those journeys..

 

[ijmad]

[Memory failure]

 

[Domh245]

You could also spend 2½ hours travelling from Bedford to Brighton on a train without a toilet

You'd have to be pretty unlucky for all 3 toilets (or 5, if you're on a 12 car) on a 700 to be out of use

 

[ijmad]

You'd have to be pretty unlucky for all 3 toilets (or 5, if you're on a 12 car) on a 700 to be out of use

Apparently I was not awake enough to remember the difference between a 700 and 717.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I read on here about Castle HST set GW13 - is this one of the few extra sets that the DfT wanted GWR to consider? It was something like that apparently.

 

[43 302]

I read on here about Castle HST set GW13 - is this one of the few extra sets that the DfT wanted GWR to consider? It was something like that apparently.

There are currently 11 sets with three more on the way. Three of the vehicles that will *presumably* become GW12 are currently spares.

 

[DannyMich2018]

There are currently 11 sets with three more on the way. Three of the vehicles that will *presumably* become GW12 are currently spares.

Yes there are 4 spare carriages with current 11 sets (two TGS and two TS) so it makes you wonder if one or two more spares will be converted then with 3 more sets to be done now-as as above if you use 3 out of 4 spares for GW12 this will only leave one spare (a TGS). Not so much of a problem now but next year could be.

 

[MB162435]

Where are the 3 extra sets destined for, Bristol to displace Turbos/158s, Devon/Cornwall to displace 150/158s, or for new services after Covid is over?

 

[berneyarms]

How many sets are in daily use now?
Has it increased from 8?

 

[PHILIPE]

How many sets are in daily use now?
Has it increased from 8?

There are 7 at the moment which decreased from 8 with the COVID reduced services Timetable so this would only be a temporary figure.

 

[Rich McLean]

The Extra sets are likely to replace the current 3 158 diagrams on the Exeter-Penzance corridoor, with those 158 units available for Cornish branchline work, Devon Metro and Bristol area services in order for pacers to be retired. There will have to be some jiggery pokery with those diagrams, as currently, those 158 diagrams are all connected with eachother with attachments and detachments at various points in the day.

 

[berneyarms]

Thanks for the clarification.
That makes sense Rich.

 

[MB162435]

The Extra sets are likely to replace the current 3 158 diagrams on the Exeter-Penzance corridoor, with those 158 units available for Cornish branchline work, Devon Metro and Bristol area services in order for pacers to be retired. There will have to be some jiggery pokery with those diagrams, as currently, those 158 diagrams are all connected with eachother with attachments and detachments at various points in the day.

Would make sense to try and make mainline duties Castle Set and IET worked as much as possible

Would also help to get rid of the 143s, but still maintain capacity on Devon Metro services

 

[irish_rail]

Would be a good idea to rid plymouth westward of 158s. Virtually no one at plymouth signs them, and there have been occasions when sets have become stranded due to no drivers with traction knowledge. Also pretty sure not many at penzance sign them.
Use all the 158s on the devon metro, and the 2+4 for the mainline stuff.

 

[Trainfan061193]

I believe the few extra castle sets will be enough to see off the 143s yes along with 1 or 2 3 car 165s moving West. I think the future plan for EXM<>PGN is to have 5 x double 150/2s and 2 x 16x workings. There are now 10 additional 150/2s staying with GWR which were originally due to leave to help support additional capacity.

 

[MB162435]

I believe the few extra castle sets will be enough to see off the 143s yes along with 1 or 2 3 car 165s moving West. I think the future plan for EXM<>PGN is to have 5 x double 150/2s and 2 x 16x workings. There are now 10 additional 150/2s staying with GWR which were originally due to leave to help support additional capacity.

Thanks for the info, does sounds exciting and hopefully the plans will come to fruition without to much of a hitch that rolling stock plans often do!

 

[XCTurbostar]

I notice there is a path for a Doncaster to Laira for Tuesday 23rd any ideas if this is likely to run and what it could be?

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[43096]

I notice there is a path for a Doncaster to Laira for Tuesday 23rd any ideas if this is likely to run and what it could be?

Realtime Trains - 007M 1013 Doncaster Works Wabtec to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.

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43088/156/160/162 are at Wabtec; could be two (or more!?) of them heading home? There’s also 4 XC trailers still there.

 

[43 302]

43088/156/160/162 are at Wabtec; could be two (or more!?) of them heading home? There’s also 4 XC trailers still there.

That was 43156 + 43162, cancelled yesterday and running today.

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[43096]

That was 43156 + 43162, cancelled yesterday and running today.

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Ta!

 

[Apedlar12]

Yes there are 4 spare carriages with current 11 sets (two TGS and two TS) so it makes you wonder if one or two more spares will be converted then with 3 more sets to be done now-as as above if you use 3 out of 4 spares for GW12 this will only leave one spare (a TGS). Not so much of a problem now but next year could be.

From what I have seen with the vehicle numbers on the current sets, is that GW93 (the 3 car set at present) only requires one more vehicle (48136) and then it will end up becoming GW12 which would mean that then GW13/14 will then only be the two more required:

GW01	49101	48101	48102	48103
GW02	49102	48104	48105	48106
GW03	49103	48107	48108	48109
GW04	49104	48110	48111	48112
GW05	49105	48113	48114	48115
GW06	49106	48116	48117	48118
GW07	49107	48119	48120	48121
GW08	49108	48122	48123	48124
GW09	49109	48125	48126	48127
GW10	49110	48128	48129	48130
GW11	49111	48131	48132	48133
GW93	49112	48134	48135	(48136)

 

[banjo125]

Realistically a few spare carriages will be required (depending on the number of planned diagrams), GW08 is currently formed 49112 48135 48123 48124, presumably 49108 & 48122 are undergoing maintenance.

 

[43096]

From what I have seen with the vehicle numbers on the current sets, is that GW93 (the 3 car set at present) only requires one more vehicle (48136) and then it will end up becoming GW12 which would mean that then GW13/14 will then only be the two more required:

GW01	49101	48101	48102	48103
GW02	49102	48104	48105	48106
GW03	49103	48107	48108	48109
GW04	49104	48110	48111	48112
GW05	49105	48113	48114	48115
GW06	49106	48116	48117	48118
GW07	49107	48119	48120	48121
GW08	49108	48122	48123	48124
GW09	49109	48125	48126	48127
GW10	49110	48128	48129	48130
GW11	49111	48131	48132	48133
GW93	49112	48134	48135	(48136)

GW93 currently only has one vehicle in it (48134). 49112 is in GW08, as is 48135. Essentially, GW93 was a temporary set that no longer exists since the full fleet was formed up.

 

[Apedlar12]

GW93 currently only has one vehicle in it (48134). 49112 is in GW08, as is 48135. Essentially, GW93 was a temporary set that no longer exists since the full fleet was formed up.

Ah, thanks for that information, very helpful

 

[JKF]

That was 43156 + 43162, cancelled yesterday and running today.

Realtime Trains - 023P 1013 Doncaster Works Wabtec to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.

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Saw them come through Abbey Wood this afternoon, running a bit early and looking very tidy. This was more or less straight after a Cardiff-Taunton set and a cross country HST set had passed each other in the station, nice to see so many working in such a short spell.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Saw them come through Abbey Wood this afternoon, running a bit early and looking very tidy. This was more or less straight after a Cardiff-Taunton set and a cross country HST set had passed each other in the station, nice to see so many working in such a short spell.

Same kind of scenario at Dawlish Warren today - they practically passed the Plymouth to Leeds HST!

 

[43 302]

Saw them come through Abbey Wood this afternoon, running a bit early and looking very tidy. This was more or less straight after a Cardiff-Taunton set and a cross country HST set had passed each other in the station, nice to see so many working in such a short spell.

I was about a metre further down the line at Horfield Junction Three HSTs, all within a few minutes!

 

[43 302]

Realistically a few spare carriages will be required (depending on the number of planned diagrams), GW08 is currently formed 49112 48135 48123 48124, presumably 49108 & 48122 are undergoing maintenance.

GW08 is back in its correct formation: 48124 48123 48122 49108

 

[43 302]

43172 ran solo from LA to PM this morning where it will join up with 43171 and head to Long Marston. There it will collect six Mk3s and head to Doncaster for conversion. No idea if it will keep it's livery before anyone asks.

 

[MB162435]

43172 ran solo from LA to PM this morning where it will join up with 43171 and head to Long Marston. There it will collect six Mk3s and head to Doncaster for conversion. No idea if it will keep it's livery before anyone asks.

One of the Laira drivers said it was now nameless and being sent off lease