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I understand that after weeks of trying to turn things around, tomorrow HMV will throw in the towel and appoint administrators, Deloitte.

As we reported last week the firm had started a massive discounting campaign in a last minute attempt to generate cash for the business.

Read More: HMV warning as sales tumble

But after admitting several weeks ago that they might not be able to meet the terms of the deal with their banks, after meeting tonight the company has, I'm told, decided that bringing in administrators is the sad, but best course of action.

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-01-14/is-this-the-end-of-his-masters-voice/

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The trouble is all the stuff they sell is really expensive compared with what you can get it for elsewhere.
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From Sky:

Directors of HMV are this evening locked in talks about the retailer's future amid growing concern that it could become the latest big-name high street chain to succumb to the flat-lining British economy.

I have learned that the board of HMV has been meeting today to thrash out options for the company, which are said to include a possible plan to call in administrators.

People close to the situation said that a number of options remained under consideration and that any announcement about a board decision was unlikely until later on Monday or Tuesday. It remains conceivable that HMV's lenders or another party will ride to its rescue and avert the need to appoint administrators.

If HMV did concede defeat in its attempt to trade itself back to health by calling in administrators, it would deal a devastating symbolic blow to the future of the British high street.

It would also put more than 4,000 jobs at risk, just days after the camera retailer Jessops announced its demise, with the closure of nearly 200 shops and the loss of almost 2,000 jobs.

HMV is run by Trevor Moore, who recently took over having held the chief executive's post at Jessops.

If administrators are called in, the retailer's board would probably hire either Deloitte or KPMG, two of the big four accounting firms, to oversee the process, according to people close to the situation.

Some of HMV's 230 UK stores could yet be saved from closure if the company manages to attract a bidder. However, analysts have said for some time that a viable HMV is likely to involve a significantly smaller number of shops trading on UK high streets.

Apollo Management, the US-based investment firm, has been acquiring some of HMV's debt from its lenders and was reported last month to be keen on a takeover of the company. Reports today suggested that it was no longer interested in buying HMV.

HMV has been the subject of periodic speculation that it would fall into administration for several years as it faced increasingly intense competition from supermarkets as well as online retailers such as Amazon.

Its shares, already close to having negligible value, were further hit just before Christmas when the company warned that it risked breaching its banking covenants at the end of January, blaming poor sales in the run-up to Christmas.

The company has not yet disclosed its trading performance during the crucial festive period although a decision last week to launch a huge sale across its product range reignited fears – denied by HMV – that it was running short of cash.

HMV insiders said the company has been considering updating the market next week on Christmas trading.

HMV has raised tens of millions of pounds by selling assets including the Hammersmith Apollo music venue and the Waterstone's bookseller in an effort to buy itself more time to execute a turnaround strategy devised by Simon Fox, Mr Moore’s predecessor.

The music industry's biggest companies have also chipped in to help prolong HMV's future, participating in a new financing package last year.

The prospective administration of HMV is politically complicated by the fact that the company's two biggest lenders are Lloyds Banking Group and Royal Bank of Scotland, which both count the British taxpayer as their largest shareholder.

HMV traces its heritage back to 1921, when Sir Edward Elgar, the renowned composer and conductor, opened its first store on London's Oxford Street.

http://news.sky.com/story/1038002/hmv-poised-to-call-in-administrators
 
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The trouble is all the stuff they sell is really expensive compared with what you can get it for elsewhere.

Which is of course why they're in trouble. I used to window shop in HMV then go home and buy the items from Amazon because it was almost without exception cheaper. The only time I would buy from HMV was on deals such as two for a tenner or DVDs for a couple of quid.
 

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The sad thing is, there aren't going to be any places left where you can browse for records.
 

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I think that's part of the problem - it's the same thing that put GAME in the same situation last year. Online retailers are really biting into these big electronics chains, we've seen several big names in other markets go in the last few years too. There also seems to be a surprising number of new upstarts trading in used DVDs, Games and other electronics - in fact I just purchased an almost brand new games console from such a store, as he offered me a much better rate of exchange on a used console than and equivalent chain store. He also offered me a better deal on something else I have to sell - great customer service, and will keep me going back. Something I always feel is lacking in stores such as HMV and GAME.

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The sad thing is, there aren't going to be any places left where you can browse for records.

I'll also miss that, but like Ainsworth74 I tend to window shop and then go home to find a better deal online.

I can't support a store that prices itself out of the market.
 
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The thing is with DVDs/BD etc there's really nothing to see in an actual shop apart from a box, which you can the same details on a website like Amazon, along with user reviews to boot. The only time I tend to browse DVDs/BDs these days in a shop is if I've got nothing better to do. I used to do it a lot in the Virgin Megastore and HMVs up in the West End, but now I head direct to Amazon.
 

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No surprise and definitely doesnt warrant your OMG! in the title. This has been on the card for around 18 months. They've had a 25% off everything sale since Christmas to try and get customers in. It shows how expensive they are though, as in Truro they have a Tesco store 5 min walk away, and with the Sale HMV is still more expensive!
 

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I gave up on HMV when Metal CDs were invariably £17! The local indie store used to charge £9 for the same disc Amazon sell for less then £10 - Even a specialist Goth retailer rarely charges more then £15 for obscure imports!

Of course you now have downloads (both legal and illegal) which are cheaper and instant (with the Bands getting a bigger cut of the takings as well)

Similarly with Steam destroying sales of PC games through Bricks and Mortar stores. Steam offers the developers/publishers better terms and with less faff around DRM (ie not needing the DVD in the drive at all times!)
 

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The trouble is all the stuff they sell is really expensive compared with what you can get it for elsewhere.

Are they though? Online the prices they offer DVDs and music for is roughly comparable with other sites, such as iTunes and Amazon. However, the problem is, is that a lot of people have already got accounts with 1 or both, and don't want (or can't be bothered) to set up/register another with HMV.
 

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Poor old "Nipper" must be turning in his grave :oops:

When Amazon et al have shut down all the High Street Stores are the prices still going to be as cheap ?
 

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The trouble with HMV is that it's very easy to get hold of what they sell for free online (which I'm not condoning), whereas you can't download your weekly shop or a pair of jeans.
 

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Yes, I never used to ever like HMV for any type of media. They still wanted 30 odd quid for Fifa 12 when it was months old and Grainger games had it for a fiver and so did Game. All of it anyway was generally expensive compared to online retailers and these privately owned media shops. They shut the HMV in Cheshire Oaks a while back now, and they shut Gamestation around the country, but I reckon the Port Arcades one was the first to go. I always thought Gamestation were cheaper than Game, I managed to pick up Fifa 11 for £3 when it was only a few months old and I picked up A-train HX for 49 p, when Game had it in at a fiver.
 

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Poor old "Nipper" must be turning in his grave :oops:

When Amazon et al have shut down all the High Street Stores are the prices still going to be as cheap ?

Even prior to Amazon et al HMV were always the most expensive music shop in town with prices double that of the local indie stores. Martian (the last local indie) was killed off by Itunes and other download stores rather then Amazon and their ilk.
 

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This is not good news. Another high street chain going down the pan. They are dropping like flies. This makes the third in the space of only a couple of months.

It is bad news though, HMV is a shop I like, and I do shop there a lot. I buy a lot of films there on the cheap, and enjoy the two for £10 offers. I often use the shop when I can't be botherd to wait for something to arrive off the net, or I'm not sure what I want to buy - so I can have a proper brouse through the titles. The only things I tend not to buy are the box sets and stand up DVDs - rediculously expensive at HMV.

Anyway, as a further update. Since the O/P made this topic, there's a bit of an update on the story. Its official, they have appointed Deloitte to administer the company.

From the BBC...

Music and DVD chain HMV, which employs about 4,350 staff, has confirmed it will appoint an administrator, making it the latest High Street casualty.

Deloitte will run the 239-store chain while it assesses prospects for the business and seeks potential buyers.

Trading in HMV shares on the London Stock Exchange is being suspended, the company said in a statement.

Started in 1921, HMV became one of the biggest names on the High Street, but has struggled against online retailing.

In a statement late on Monday the company said: "The board regrets to announce that it has been unable to reach a position where it feels able to continue to trade outside of insolvency protection..."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21021073
 

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HMV did put a lot of the local shops out of buisiness, what goes around does indeed come around. Just another perspective, i do also think its a sad day.
 

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Which is of course why they're in trouble. I used to window shop in HMV then go home and buy the items from Amazon because it was almost without exception cheaper. The only time I would buy from HMV was on deals such as two for a tenner or DVDs for a couple of quid.

Me too. Also, when I lived in Manchester, I'd often not even go into HMV, I'd go to Fopp instead, which was always much cheaper. Although they then got taken over by HMV as well...
 

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I wonder who is going to be first to print a cartoon of the dog looking wistfully down a toilet pan. <(
 

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It probably doesn't help that their staff never seem to react to the doorway alarms going off.

At least they never did in the Epsom store - which was quite a big one - which they closed down in their big cutbacks two years ago. The shrinkage from the one store alone must have been horrendous - what is the point of fitting doorway alarms if nobody ever does anything when they go off?
 

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Struggling to think of the last time I actually bought anything in there. Window-shopped only last Thursday but they didn't have anything I wanted and this is the nub of the problem. They stopped selling what people wanted and if you did find something you liked the look of, you'd baulk at the price, pull out your smartphone and find it on Amazon for half the price!
 

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I wonder who is going to be first to print a cartoon of the dog looking wistfully down a toilet pan. <(
For the last 10 years or more, there have been 2 images on the wall in front of my desk at work . . . . one is the classic painting of 'Nipper' looking into the horn of an HMV gramophone and the other is a photo of a model 'Nipper' at exactly the same angle and distance, looking into a Yamaha guitar amplifier.

There's a lot more to this story than the thread has revealled - the OP's "OMG" and quoted desperate measures over "the last few weeks" belies the long-term story. Its much more than 5 years now since HMV realised that their business model was going to fail and considered a number of strategic solutions (including, but not limited to, moving large proportions of retail space to electronic products with a view to balancing their revenue with the real estate expense of traditional 'record browsers'; more 'in-store' live events, more after-care serices, more retail space for media, tickets, merchandise, accessories; longer hours).
The Company has made several subsequent 'adjustments', and some of the UK's most experienced players in the UK music industry's conversion from physical to download product have given their best analyses; and the vast majority of that analysis and advice is very much in the public domain.
None of this news should be a surprise to anyone.

Having said all that, I do shed a tear at the loss of such a fine model of UK retailling at its most tenacious. My neighbour has a full sized model of 'Nipper' in that classic pose - I might ask them to display it in their front window this week out of respect.
 
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This is not good news. Another high street chain going down the pan. They are dropping like flies. This makes the third in the space of only a couple of months.

It is bad news though, HMV is a shop I like, and I do shop there a lot. I buy a lot of films there on the cheap, and enjoy the two for £10 offers. I often use the shop when I can't be botherd to wait for something to arrive off the net, or I'm not sure what I want to buy - so I can have a proper brouse through the titles. The only things I tend not to buy are the box sets and stand up DVDs - rediculously expensive at HMV.

Anyway, as a further update. Since the O/P made this topic, there's a bit of an update on the story. Its official, they have appointed Deloitte to administer the company.

From the BBC...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21021073

And to follow on, Both Waterstones & Black's Groups finances are not looking too rosy either. So sadly this could be one of and some of the worst years trading years for any store on the High Street - Even M&S Has posted some rather disappointing figures recently too.

Whilst there's now people saying how great the break up of companies like HMV, Jessop's et all are for the Independents, the problem is is realistically its not. Not only are many towns and shopping centres full of major stores like these, but also - who supplies many companies like these - Look at the collapse of the Woolworths Group, which in turn placed the final nail in the coffin of the Zavvi Group.

It'll be a sad day for music if and when HMV has to close. Whilst there is alot of blame on the likes of the tax avoiding Amazon, Play.com? & Itunes, we are also sadly to blame for doing so - If you don't support your local store, then it'll close. Also, Yes downloads are cheaper. But seriously, How fun is a download or a streamed film compared to a a physical purchase - a CD, DVD, Game or Vinyl.

I do like HMV too. Sadly, apart from the god awful selection in our local supermarkets, then there's pretty much knowhere else around town to look at and purchase CDs anymore, and for as long as they keep trading i'll keep using them.

For the last 10 years or more, there have been 2 images on the wall in front of my desk at work . . . . one is the classic painting of 'Nipper' looking into the horn of an HMV gramophone and the other is a photo of a model 'Nipper' at exactly the same angle and distance, looking into a Yamaha guitar amplifier.

There's a lot more to this story than the thread has revealled - the OP's "OMG" and quoted desperate measures over "the last few weeks" belies the long-term story. Its much more than 5 years now since HMV realised that their business modesl was going to fail and considered a number of strategic solutions (including, but not limited to, moving large proportions of retails space to electronic products with a view to balancing their revenue with the real estate expense of traditional 'record browsers'; more 'in-store' live events, more after-care serices, more retail space for media, tickets, merchandise, accessories; longer hours).
The Company has made several subsequent 'adjustments', and some of the UK's most experienced players in the UK music industry's conversion from physical to download product have given their best analyses; and the vast majority of that analysis and advice is very much in the public domain.
None of this news should be a surprise to anyone.

Having said all that, I do shed a tear at the loss of such a fine model of UK retailling at its most tenacious. My neighbour has a full sized model of 'Nipper' in that classic pose - I might ask them to display it in their front window this week out of respect.

Including of course, reducing the amount of CDs availible in store and increasing the amount of Multi Media - XBox, Playstation, Wii, Ipods, Speakers etc...

And of course they've been selling off bits of the business - Waterstones was once part of the HMV group, Several Stores have already been sold off, the Hammersmith Apollo & HMV's stakes in several major music festivals aswell. All a sad story really. Poor old nipper.
 
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It probably doesn't help that their staff never seem to react to the doorway alarms going off.

At least they never did in the Epsom store - which was quite a big one - which they closed down in their big cutbacks two years ago. The shrinkage from the one store alone must have been horrendous - what is the point of fitting doorway alarms if nobody ever does anything when they go off?

At least the Manchester one (on Market Street) has a security guard. Most of the more provincial stores don't have that. The HMV at Westwood Cross in Broadstairs doesn't, and as you say, staff don't respond to alarms too readily either.
 

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At least the Manchester one (on Market Street) has a security guard. Most of the more provincial stores don't have that. The HMV at Westwood Cross in Broadstairs doesn't, and as you say, staff don't respond to alarms too readily either.

I think it'll depend on the store location though. If it's in a shopping centre / mall, then they may have security staff located in the back of the store and /or a member of shop staff by any of the enterance /exits, with a speed dial number to the shopping centre management & security staff & local police station.
 

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Mainly for sentimenat reasons, I'll add a couple of other comments(I will avoid direct comment as I have significant involvement in the UK music industry):

1. I mentioned my neighbour with the life-sized model of 'Nipper'. It's probably co-incidence, but another neighbour, here in Newcastle, took up the post of managing the flagship Classical Music department of HMV's Oxford Street Brnach, and another local HMV manager took up a senior postion in their London HQ. The import of 'arts-led-regeneration' culture from Newcastle has apparently been significant in sustaining the Company over the last 20 years of transition from physical to download.

2. I'm grateful to one of my colleagues for pointing out the obvious . . .
All a sad story really. Poor old nipper.
The dog capable of hearing 'his master' recorded would only have applied before that HMV image, it would have to have been on recorded cylinders (not discs). It was much later that it became possible for individuals to walk into shops / studios and arrange a recording onto a disc as in that image.
 

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The last few items I've bought from HMV were no cheaper from the main online retailers, and I wouldn't have discovered them anyway, without flicking through the racks.

When did HMV become so widespread? My formative record buying years were in Maidstone, and we had Our Price, Woolworths and a decent collection of independents and I'm pretty sure nearby towns (Chatham, Ashford) were the same. We only knew HMV as the massive store on Oxford Street.
 

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It'll be a shame if it goes :( I spend ages in HMV looking at old albums and seeing which 2 I want for £5 :( once this one goes, there will be nowhere that you can browse every album under the sun :( I hope once the country's back on its feet, another chain of music store will open :|

Edit: S***, I can't think of anywhere else that sells my headphones, might have to stock up :/
 

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I wonder what'll happen to HMV subsidiary FOPP? They've already folded once and rose Phoenix like after HMV bought the better performing stores, keeping them trading under the FOPP brand.
 

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Not a surprise when you look at who was at the helm!

A one Trevor Moore; chief executive officer and managing director of HMV Group plc and HMV UK & Ireland respectively, and previously Chief Executive of Jessop Group Limited and a former senior executive at Thresher Group. He also has a background in banking and holds a MSc in Economics, Management and Industrial Relations, but god knows how.

So HMV was in really good hands there.
 

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The sad thing is, there aren't going to be any places left where you can browse for records.

HMV stopped selling records ages ago, well round here they did(London). Plenty of lovely independant shops though for your record needs both online and in towns.

HMV,like record companies,never moved with the times quick enough - not just because of Amazon but also peoples desire for digital downloads on their computer and their phone. Thats the real killer. And it shows seeing how AC/DC made something daft like £63 million on the first weekend they were on itunes. And people wouldve already had their stuff on vinyl and cassette and cd too.

Itunes wins, HMV lose. Tough life but you have to move with the times and quickly. If you dont, youre dead in the water.



EDIT: Good job I didnt pre order that box set I wanted too :)


Oh and they have been in bother for a while which is why they sold off their live music division the other year to try and survive.
 

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In 1921 the first HMV shop in Oxford St. was opened by Sir Edward Elgar wearing his Wolves scarf.
 
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