House Of Lords Debate - End 'disgusting' train toilet sewage

[GatwickDepress]

Only some frequent commuter services in the Liverpool and London areas use trains without toilets. All other National Rail services have toilets fitted.

Southern operate a fleet of nineteen Class 313s liberated from London Overground services. They operate the majority of Brighton to Seaford and West Coastway services, as well as a once daily service from Brighton to Ore and back. As befitting former inner suburban units, they have no toilets or first class accommodation. There are toilets at the majority of staffed stations on these routes and Southern staff are extremely understanding if one needs to alight to use the conveniences.

 

[thelem]

There are toilets at the majority of staffed stations on these routes and Southern staff are extremely understanding if one needs to alight to use the conveniences.

Not in my experience they're not. It's particularly a problem on post-pub trains when the station staff have gone home.

 

[Moonshot]

Were toilets a feature of trains on the Altrincham and Bury lines pre-trammification? Certainly weren't any on the MSJ&A stock - and access to one on the Class 304s was hit and miss! Did the Bury Electrics have toilets? I suspect not.

If that is the case, then even more of a non issue.....

 

[cjmillsnun]

Only some frequent commuter services in the Liverpool and London areas use trains without toilets. All other National Rail services have toilets fitted.

Completely incorrect.

Class 313 (FCC and Southern), 315 (Greater Anglia), 455 (SWT & Southern) and 456 (Southern - soon to be SWT) don't have toilets. (456 did initially but they were removed).

 

[Manchester77]

Completely incorrect.

Class 313 (FCC and Southern), 315 (Greater Anglia), 455 (SWT & Southern) and 456 (Southern - soon to be SWT) don't have toilets. (456 did initially but they were removed).

Which operate frequent commuter services as jcollins said...:roll:

 

[DarloRich]

The 225s are worse because they spray from higher up when the tanks are full and overflow. Of course, they simply need to be emptied more often to solve that problem.

Yes - that makes all the difference when being hit by someones excremental waste moving in a cloud form at 125 mph :roll:

So effectively does this mean a portaloo will have to follow each permanent way gang/member of staff? As a lot of their "waste" goes on the ballast...

no it doesn't - you go behind a bush! I wouldn't fancy taking a crap with the chance of an express bearing down on me at 125 mph

We occasionally get memo's telling us not to flush the HST's when the trains are stabled in sidings. Flushing at speed I can't see much of a problem with. The average turd dropping onto a track at 125mph is not going to be recognisable, one would hope.

Personally I would prefer it on the track. Than stinking out the carriage.

I will assume you have not encountered the brown cloud then - i would prefer it stay in the train rather than hit me in the face as it is somewhat unpleasant being hit by liquified excrement moving at speed! Lets not even consider the more solid remains

(PS the cloud can be blue if the tanks has been cleaned - oh yummy domestos flavored excreta! )

isn't this a jolly thread!

 

[TDK]

Remember - Do not eat tomatoes growing in the 4 foot

 

[455driver]

isn't this a jolly thread!

Personally I think its a load of ****!

 

[northwichcat]

Completely incorrect.

Class 313 (FCC and Southern), 315 (Greater Anglia), 455 (SWT & Southern) and 456 (Southern - soon to be SWT) don't have toilets. (456 did initially but they were removed).

Which operate frequent commuter services as jcollins said...:roll:

Maybe the term 'frequent' means something completely different in the South East. I do remember someone once arguing that a Southern service wasn't frequent because the off-peak service was 'only' every 20 minutes.
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Were toilets a feature of trains on the Altrincham and Bury lines pre-trammification? Certainly weren't any on the MSJ&A stock - and access to one on the Class 304s was hit and miss! Did the Bury Electrics have toilets? I suspect not.

In the case of the Altrincham line the express services (calling at only Sale between Altrincham and Manchester) mainly originated from Chester or Knutsford so were DMUs with toilets. The people using the stoppers were less likely to be doing the full journey.

If anyone can find the timetable for the Altrincham line from when the 1st gen units were introduced it will show a peak timetable that's more frequent than Metrolink is now (for Altrincham and Sale passengers only.)

 

[DarloRich]

Long distance trains need toilets, toilets that retain their effluent.

I can see why TOCs might take them out of high density, short distance routes but you only have to put them back if you transfer the stock.

 

[455driver]

Long distance trains need toilets, toilets that retain their effluent.

I can see why TOCs might take them out of high density, short distance routes but you only have to put them back if you transfer the stock.

Its that easy is it? :roll:

 

[DarloRich]

Its that easy is it? :roll:

No - that is my point - it is hard work and expesive to put the things back in once you remove them, so why take them out in the first place?

 

[455driver]

The way I read that post you are saying it is that easy.

Apologies if I have misread.

 

[DarloRich]

The way I read that post you are saying it is that easy.

Apologies if I have misread.

np - sarcasm doesn't come across well

 

[infobleep]

If passengers and staff have not raised it as a concern then is there actually a problem that urgently needs solving? I'd say no. Surely it can just be left until each train get replaced in time. Of course I'm assuming the staff really haven't raised it as a concern as quoted.

What about steam pulled carriages. Will they ever be converted?

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[infobleep]

And of course Sheffield station has loos......and as I pointed out before, the vast majority of passengers on any given rail journey will pass through a station with toilet facilities. Rail travel nowadays is functional , not romantic.
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Ryanair. Not a particularly inspiring role model for the Nation‘s railway.

What do u think the role model should be ?

Passing through a station with toilets is one thing. Getting out is another. Trains just don't hang around while passengers go to the loo. If you have a connection to make elsewhere then you may not have time to wait for the next train.

As someone with health issues I prefer to travel on trains with loos. I do regularly travel for 40 minutes on trains without loos. However I make sure I've been in advance or feel confident I won't need to go during the journey. Should the train get stuck for several hours that would not be good. Not happened yet thankfully.

As for stations, many unstaffed stations have no loos or they close them for most of the day. I'm also not so keen on councils who have disabled toilets but don't use the radar key system. This system allows users access to otherwise locked toilets. Oxford Council are guilty of this. It's ok in the city centre as they open a toilet purely for night use. Not so when you are out in the suburbs. Not everything happens in the town centre. People do spend time in other parts of the city. I think Sunday they were also locked during the day.

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[ryan125hst]

Passing through a station with toilets is one thing. Getting out is another. Trains just don't hang around while passengers go to the loo. If you have a connection to make elsewhere then you may not have time to wait for the next train.

As someone with health issues I prefer to travel on trains with loos. I do regularly travel for 40 minutes on trains without loos. However I make sure I've been in advance or feel confident I won't need to go during the journey. Should the train get stuck for several hours that would not be good. Not happened yet thankfully.

As for stations, many unstaffed stations have no loos or they close them for most of the day. I'm also not so keen on councils who have disabled toilets but don't use the radar key system. This system allows users access to otherwise locked toilets. Oxford Council are guilty of this. It's ok in the city centre as they open a toilet purely for night use. Not so when you are out in the suburbs. Not everything happens in the town centre. People do spend time in other parts of the city. I think Sunday they were also locked during the day.

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And looking on National Rail's Station's Made Easy, many stations are unstaffed at night (anytime from around 7pm onwards). Even when stations are staffed, the toilets are often locked at night (although I don't know if they would give you access to one if you asked them nicely?).

Of course, all of this is only relevant if the stations actually have toilets. There are loads of unstaffed stations on the network. Just looking at one of my local lines, Sheffield to Lincoln: There's only Sheffield, Retford and Lincoln that it staffed all day every day (more or less). Worksop has staff, but they arrive at 7am and leave at 5pm Monday to Friday, and 13:45 (I think) on a Saturday (no staff on a Sunday). According to Stations Made Easy, the toilet is kept locked and needs a key from station staff. I've never actually boarded or alighted at Worksop though, so I don't know if this is the case.

Bearing in mind that Worksop is an interchange, so people may have come from Nottingham and be changing trains to the Sheffield- Lincoln line, and the journey times would be well over an hour if you were changing trains and going to, say, Saxilby or Darnall, toilets are definitely needed.