Landslip at Hatfield Colliery (near Doncaster) line to Hull/Scunthorpe now reopened.

[ainsworth74]

Train diverted via Google instead

I don't think that is going to happen on account of the massive heap of slag that's currently blocking the line to Google...

 

[YorkshireBear]

Train diverted via Google instead

Ainsworth beat me to it!

I suggest you go back through the thread and look at the pictures,that is the google line, no train is going down there my friend.

Waits for the cogs to click into place.... Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick

 

[NathanPrior]

I don't think that is going to happen on account of the massive heap of slag that's currently blocking the line to Goole...

http://www.hulltrains.co.uk/media/26567/16-17feb2013.pdf

That's what I've been going by

 

[TG]

no trains via google... there's a big fat slag blocking the line at hatfield and stainforth..... no trains going via selby, there are engineering works..... you WILL probably be on a rail replacement bus, sorry!

 

[NathanPrior]

F*** sake, an increased journey time then, better get a damn refund then.

 

[YorkshireBear]

http://www.hulltrains.co.uk/media/26567/16-17feb2013.pdf

That's what I've been going by

Yes well that has changed and no plan been formed since the incident that this thread is talking about....

 

[NathanPrior]

As long as I make it back to London by 11:30pm, should have been on the one leaving Hull at 18:30

 

[Crossover]

I don't think that is going to happen on account of the massive heap of slag that's currently blocking the line to Goole...

Less blocking...more obliterated

 

[ainsworth74]

As long as I make it back to London by 11:30pm, should have been on the one leaving Hull at 18:30

NRE is estimating that journey times are going to be extended by sixty minutes so I'd start by guessing it will be at least 2215 by the time you get to Kings Cross.

Less blocking...more obliterated

True!

 

[NathanPrior]

I'd love to see replacement bus services carry 500+ of us Charlton fans between wherever it is, would take about 2 hours to get on a bus

 

[FGW_DID]

F*** sake, an increased journey time then, better get a damn refund then.

Why would you get a refund, you are paying to travel to a destination, which the company are doing, replacement bus service will be at the mercy of the local traffic!

 

[TG]

hull trains will be aware of how many passengers they have booked onto a particular service... it will probably be a bus all the way to doncaster im afraid

 

[NathanPrior]

Why would you get a refund, you are paying to travel to a destination, which the company are doing, replacement bus service will be at the mercy of the local traffic!

Delayed, it's a sort of un-scheduled bustitution, so surely that's allowed to put on a delay repay claim as this one is sort of the same:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=79399

 

[FGW_DID]

No, that was for a refund on booked Advance tickets which was changed at the last minute, not a delay repay that you are referring to.

Best bet will be to speak to the customer services of the TOC concerned.

I would think the answer would be no but have no idea what would happen if say the replacement bus was caught in a snarl up at say a road traffic accident and was majorly late, I'm sure someone will know the answer or have a good idea!

 

[NathanPrior]

I'm not looking forward to this one bit, less time in the pub to start with

 

[TG]

the slag heap would like to apologise for the inconvenience caused to your journey!!

jokes aside, it's a pain but think what it will be like if this is not fixed by the summer with the planned closure of selby swing bridge for a major overhaul... at least this is just one weekend of inconvenience!

 

[eastdyke]

I am not so sure that the idea of a permanent rail diversion is so much pie in the sky.

Take a look at google satellite and you will see the extent of the slag heap. I don't think that there is room on the site to accomodate the huge quantity of material that would need to be moved, even if it was safe to do so. You will also see that the heap sides are much further from the houses to the north-west than from the railway (for which just now the residents must be a tad relieved).

Curiously on the opposite side of the railway to the incident, I won't call it a slip because much of it is heave, there is a very substantial nearby excavation!! What's that all about?

All in all I would say that the re-opening of the route 'on line' could be many many months if not years, away.

Yes a permanent diversion to the south-east will make some appeal.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Delay repay is payable no matter what the cause of delay is i believe?

 

[NathanPrior]

Delay repay is payable no matter what the cause of delay is i believe?

This is what I was thinking, I'll ask the guard about it.

 

[johnnychips]

Delay repay is payable no matter what the cause of delay is i believe?

If it is going to be such a long term job, I assume a provisional timetable will be put into place soon, and then delay repayments will go on that rather than the now-impossible timetable in the NRG

 

[370001]

Curiously on the opposite side of the railway to the incident, I won't call it a slip because much of it is heave, there is a very substantial nearby excavation!! What's that all about?.

I grew up very near here. The excavation you describe is the Bootham Lane landfill site. Unsure whether this is still operational.

 

[eastdyke]

I grew up very near here. The excavation you describe is the Bootham Lane landfill site. Unsure whether this is still operational.

Thanks.

I've travelled the line a few times but not noticed the landfill site. Probably because I always look at the mine / heap / etc.! Do you know when and why it was dug out in the first place? And what barrier (if any) was placed between the un-dug sides and the tipped materials?

 

[IanXC]

Even if the Selby works go ahead, presumably services could go on a rather long diversion?

Hull
Goole
Snaith
Knottingley avoider
Shaftholme Junction
Doncaster

I bet theres very few crews who sign that though! Could be a solution for Hull Trains if the summer Selby Swing Bridge works go ahead.

 

[Tomnick]

I suppose a long diversion is better than a trip on a bus! As you say though, route knowledge (and pathing south of at and south of Shaftholme?) would be the big problem. The avoiding line at Knottingley is shown as a goods line too - not sure what, if anything, would be required to run passenger trains over it. If every freight train to and from Hull and Goole is diverted that way too, the single line beyond Goole will be a bit busy too. However...

jokes aside, it's a pain but think what it will be like if this is not fixed by the summer with the planned closure of selby swing bridge for a major overhaul... at least this is just one weekend of inconvenience!

I wouldn't be surprised if the Selby works were postponed if the line's not open again at Hatfield by then. I know it's not as simple as it sounds, but I'm sure there'll be a lot of pressure for Network Rail to do something!

 

[corin paul]

What about the work on GN/GE joint line, will the work on this line be held up? At the moment the work is around Sleadford to Spalding. But freight is going to past Gainsborough right?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/class_153/6887028720/in/set-72157629345382774/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/class_153/6888150346/in/set-72157629345382774/

Bootham Lane landfill site is still open, as far as I saw last month.

 

[trainplan1]

Even if the Selby works go ahead, presumably services could go on a rather long diversion?

Hull
Goole
Snaith
Knottingley avoider
Shaftholme Junction
Doncaster

I bet theres very few crews who sign that though! Could be a solution for Hull Trains if the summer Selby Swing Bridge works go ahead.

Oh no it's even better, there currently planning Hull, Goole, Snaith, Knottingley, Pontefract, Crofton, Calder Bridge Jn (Reverse!), then Hare Park, Adwick, Doncaster

Any one fancy a really fun diversion book your ticket now!

 

[IanXC]

Oh no it's even better, there currently planning Hull, Goole, Snaith, Knottingley, Pontefract, Crofton, Calder Bridge Jn (Reverse!), then Hare Park, Adwick, Doncaster

Any one fancy a really fun diversion book your ticket now!

Ooo definately! I had heard rumours of Grand Central using Selby Canal Curve and Temple Hurst Junctions with the ongoing Colton works (and Hambleton to come isn't it?), I suppose that becomes more likely as paths through Knottingley if be required for Hull services?

 

[trainplan1]

Ooo definately! I had heard rumours of Grand Central using Selby Canal Curve and Temple Hurst Junctions with the ongoing Colton works (and Hambleton to come isn't it?), I suppose that becomes more likely as paths through Knottingley if be required for Hull services?

I think Hambleton/Colton is all done for now, any further ahead I'm not sure but will check when the plans come around.

They have had some great ones too like Bradford Interchange, Holbeck (Yes right on the approach to Leeds station...), Wakefield, Doncaster...

 

[Tomnick]

Are TPE planning similar diversions to Leeds too? I'd have thought it'd be better to concentrate on running them via Snaith instead (if they can be encouraged to get enough traincrew to sign the route - surely Northern have the same problem?) for connections to Doncaster and Sheffield from Leeds - it'd probably be just as quick for Doncaster passengers as the long-winded diversion, and maybe quicker for Sheffield if the path and connections worked out well!

 

[ainsworth74]

I sense a forum meet maybe in the near future with these diversions...

I suppose a long diversion is better than a trip on a bus!

Passenger Focus have done a couple of studies on this and they've determined that passengers would rather a long diversion on the train than just be dumped onto a bus that was direct.