Such an advance ticket is not valid to end a journey at Dundee, only to board at London, and end at Aberdeen.If I had a LNER Advance ticket from London Kings Cross to say Aberdeen, and I decided to stop short of my destination at say Dundee.
Would my ticket be valid and work the barriers? If not what fare would I have to pay?
6. Break of journey
6.1 You may not start, break and resume, or end your journey at any intermediate station except to change to/from connecting trains as shown on the ticket(s) or other valid travel itinerary.
Q: Can a passenger alight short of the destination on their Advance ticket, or board after the origin shown on their Advance ticket but on the same booked train?
A: Although Advance tickets are intended to be used only between the origin and destination stations shown on the ticket, there may be occasions where a passenger joins the correct train but at a later station, or alights earlier than the indicated destination. Although this is not strictly in accordance with the rules for Advance tickets, the Rail industry has agreed that in such cases, no additional fare should be charged (unless there is clear evidence of intent to try and avoid a higher fare).
Having just completed a journey from Ryde to Falkirk on an 'Advance' ticket - every single barrier I encountered (including those on U1 for the jump between Waterloo and Kings Cross) a total of 7, my ticket did not scan in any of them. The laugh was I was travelling on the service(s) stipulated on my ticket and at the exact changing points. It's worth highlighting that my tickets were issued by a ScotRail TVM, yet even crossing the border and arriving at Waverley, my ticket was again rejected. On complaining to the staff member who had to manually check it, I was told 'they hardly ever work' and to try m-tickets instead which had a higher auto acceptance rate.
My conclusion is that for your journey, in Dundee the barrier will NOT open and you'll need to seek a manual check.
This is likely to be that the data on the magnetic stripe was corrupted, and not due to the programming of barriers. This could have happened when the ticket was issued or subsequently, either through encountering a strong enough magnet (mobile phones used to do this a lot) or by encountering a ticket barrier where the read/write mechanism has been faulty. Because the magnetic stripe can only be read by machines it is extremely difficult to establish when this is happening.Having just completed a journey from Ryde to Falkirk on an 'Advance' ticket - every single barrier I encountered (including those on U1 for the jump between Waterloo and Kings Cross) a total of 7, my ticket did not scan in any of them. The laugh was I was travelling on the service(s) stipulated on my ticket and at the exact changing points. It's worth highlighting that my tickets were issued by a ScotRail TVM, yet even crossing the border and arriving at Waverley, my ticket was again rejected. On complaining to the staff member who had to manually check it, I was told 'they hardly ever work' and to try m-tickets instead which had a higher auto acceptance rate.
This is likely to be that the data on the magnetic stripe was corrupted, and not due to the programming of barriers.
Anyway, I now often buy an additional cheap ticket to get me through the barriers without any hassle or stress. In your case a Broughty Ferry to Dundee single (£1.80 without railcard) should do the trick.
I’m aware of the vagaries of magnetic stripe - I even had a bulk eraser that slowed down processing cheques by a couple of days until they switched to OCR. The original magnetic tube tickets (yellow) would wipe themselves if you sat next to the motors…. Of course, we’ve all moved on to contactless, and even Glasgow’s Subway issues RFID paper tickets, but not the TOCs. I’ve just collected my tickets for the next Rail Sale adventure in a week or so - I’ll see how well I fare then, but at least barrier use will be less intensive with no retimed services to catch (yet!)This is likely to be that the data on the magnetic stripe was corrupted, and not due to the programming of barriers. This could have happened when the ticket was issued or subsequently, either through encountering a strong enough magnet (mobile phones used to do this a lot) or by encountering a ticket barrier where the read/write mechanism has been faulty. Because the magnetic stripe can only be read by machines it is extremely difficult to establish when this is happening
Scanned at Broughty Ferry?"Your ticket wasn't scanned, Sir. Doughnutting, are we?"
One of the many reasons I always use old fashioned paper tickets!"Your ticket wasn't scanned, Sir. Doughnutting, are we?"
It can't be illegal to hold a valid ticket but have another ticket you don't intend to use in order to get through the barrier that you should be able to get through but can't because of artificial settings/uninformed staff, can it? After all, you hold a valid ticket. And it's not a crime not to use a ticket."Your ticket wasn't scanned, Sir. Doughnutting, are we?"
It’s also the paper tickets that won’t read/scan!One of the many reasons I always use old fashioned paper tickets!
So it can't be paper, it can't be an e-ticket...It’s also the paper tickets that won’t read/scan!
Why would anyone do this? A change of circumstances maybe, having bought a ticket very early to get the best fare.If I had a LNER Advance ticket from London Kings Cross to say Aberdeen, and I decided to stop short of my destination at say Dundee.
Would my ticket be valid and work the barriers? If not what fare would I have to pay?
People can be, and have been, mistreated when using paper tickets too. Paper vs e-ticket debates have taken place extensively in other threads. In any case, it's a moot point as change is coming regardless; even paper tickets are getting barcodes on them, whether people like it or not.One of the many reasons I always use old fashioned paper tickets!
"Your ticket wasn't scanned, Sir. Doughnutting, are we?"