LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

[800001]

91131 now in West Yard apparently

 

[jamieintercity]

Updated fleet list for the 91s, as will be the case after the upcoming moves:
91101 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91102 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2021
91103 - Scrapped CF Booth Rotherham 2022
91104 - Scrapped CF Booth Rotherham 2022
91105 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91106 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91107 - VTEC Red - Operational with LNER
91108 - Scrapped CF Booth Rotherham 2022
91109 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91110 - Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - Operational with LNER
91111 - For the Fallen - Operational with LNER
91112 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91113 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2021
91114 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91115 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91116 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91117 - Europhoenix - Stored Barrow Hill
91118 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91119 - Intercity Swallow - Operational with LNER
91120 - Europhoenix - On display Crewe Heritage Centre
91121 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91122 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2022
91124 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91125 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2023
91126 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2021
91127 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91128 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2022
91129 - Scrapped Sims Newport 2021
91130 - LNER Intercity - Operational with LNER
91131 - VTEC Red - Preserved Bo’ness
91132 - Scrapped Sims Beeston 2021


116, 118 and 121 could be following as early as Friday. Possible that 131 may be alone at Belmont for a few days before moving to Bo’ness and leaving the site devoid of 91s for the first time in 3 years. 84001 has already left Bo’ness in preparation for 91131’s arrival.

Belmont will be playing a role in the delivery of the new Tyne & Wear Metro fleet, I wonder if the sudden departure of the remaining 91s from the site, when there’s been no movement there for nearly 2 years, is to make space for those deliveries.

I'm pretty sure that 91104 is still intact at booths rotherham as of last week

 

[DanNCL]

91131 is now part of the National Collection. The NRM are loaning it to SRPS, exchanging it for 84001 which has returned to the NRM. D1023 Western Fusilier has moved from the NRM to Didcot in connection with this exchange too.

91107+NL12 will move to Wabtec for repaint on Tuesday, and another set will return to Neville Hill. After this swap and this weeks scrap moves the VTEC livery will be extinct on the IC225 fleet apart from on 91131 and some of TFW’s Mark 4s.

Realtime Trains | 5E23 1257 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Doncaster West Yard | 31/01/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5E18 1103 Doncaster West Yard to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 31/01/2023

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[St. Paddy]

91131 is now part of the National Collection. The NRM are loaning it to SRPS, exchanging it for 84001 which has returned to the NRM. D1023 Western Fusilier has moved from the NRM to Didcot in connection with this exchange too.

91107+NL12 will move to Wabtec for repaint on Tuesday, and another set will return to Neville Hill. After this swap and this weeks scrap moves the VTEC livery will be extinct on the IC225 fleet apart from on 91131 and some of TFW’s Mark 4s.

Realtime Trains | 5E23 1257 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Doncaster West Yard | 31/01/2023

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Realtime Trains | 5E18 1103 Doncaster West Yard to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 31/01/2023

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NL06 is the set to be released. Have the spare LNER vehicles including DVT 82205 been repainted yet?

 

[43096]

NL06 is the set to be released. Have the spare LNER vehicles including DVT 82205 been repainted yet?

There's only two spare vehicles: 12214 and 82205.

 

[St. Paddy]

There's only two spare vehicles: 12214 and 82205.

I was aware, couldn’t remember the other number. By implication, the post above suggests they have been repainted but I haven’t seen mention of it anywhere else

 

[DanNCL]

NL06 is the set to be released. Have the spare LNER vehicles including DVT 82205 been repainted yet?

I was aware, couldn’t remember the other number. By implication, the post above suggests they have been repainted but I haven’t seen mention of it anywhere else

Not sure about the two spares.

 

[Fuzzytop]

No the two spares have not yet been repainted - 82205 is still in 'Flying Scotswoman' livery.

The VTEC livery will also still be extant on the carriages which have found non-operational use - the two that have found a home at York ROC as training aids, HNRC's DVTs and the three carriages sent off to Moreton-in-Marsh. There are still a few spares donors in VTEC livery that survive at Doncaster for now - 12220, 12480, 12486, 12305, 82215.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

No the two spares have not yet been repainted - 82205 is still in 'Flying Scotswoman' livery.

The VTEC livery will also still be extant on the carriages which have found non-operational use - the two that have found a home at York ROC as training aids, HNRC's DVTs and the three carriages sent off to Moreton-in-Marsh. There are still a few spares donors in VTEC livery that survive at Doncaster for now - 12220, 12480, 12486, 12305, 82215.

It seems like the post about VTEC livery being pretty much extinct on the 225 fleet after this week was a bit premature for now.

 

[50002Superb]

91112, 115 and 125 are the locos involved.

Was this caped?

 

[DanNCL]

Today’s scrap move has been cancelled. 37601 has returned to Derby instead of taking the 91s to Newport as planned.

No the two spares have not yet been repainted - 82205 is still in 'Flying Scotswoman' livery.

The VTEC livery will also still be extant on the carriages which have found non-operational use - the two that have found a home at York ROC as training aids, HNRC's DVTs and the three carriages sent off to Moreton-in-Marsh. There are still a few spares donors in VTEC livery that survive at Doncaster for now - 12220, 12480, 12486, 12305, 82215.

It seems like the post about VTEC livery being pretty much extinct on the 225 fleet after this week was a bit premature for now.

Thanks for this, yes seems there’s quite a bit more left in the VTEC livery than I thought!

Was this caped?

Yes

 

[50002Superb]

Thanks, Sod’s Law, was hoping to catch it as was good timing for me.

 

[D7672]

Mondays working cancelled,so see what next for all six

 

[DanNCL]

Mondays working cancelled,so see what next for all six

Incredibly unlikely to be anything other than rescheduled scrap moves.

 

[Pit_buzzer]

Incredibly unlikely to be anything other than rescheduled scrap moves.

One of the Virgin liveried mk4s at wabtec was removed by low loader this morning, wasn't close enough to see the number

 

[Rhydgaled]

Updated fleet list for the 91s, as will be the case after the upcoming moves:
[snip]
116, 118 and 121 could be following as early as Friday. Possible that 131 may be alone at Belmont for a few days before moving to Bo’ness and leaving the site devoid of 91s for the first time in 3 years. 84001 has already left Bo’ness in preparation for 91131’s arrival.

Your list doesn't identify which class 91 has been acquired for the 'Global Centre of Rail Excellence' (GCRE) near the Onllwyn coal wash, does anyone here know which loco it will be? I cannot remember whether it was specified to be one from the current LNER operational pool - if not perhaps one of the moves to Newport will have the GCRE loco detached just before reaching the scrap yard.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 0Z23 1150 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Belmont Down Yard | 02/02/2023

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37510

Realtime Trains | 7Q78 0840½ Belmont Down Yard to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 03/02/2023

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[DanNCL]

Yesterday’s scrap move was cancelled because of issues with 91125. Not clear if Friday’s move will be the trio originally planned to go on Friday or if it’ll be a second attempt at moving the trio that should have gone yesterday.

Your list doesn't identify which class 91 has been acquired for the 'Global Centre of Rail Excellence' (GCRE) near the Onllwyn coal wash, does anyone here know which loco it will be? I cannot remember whether it was specified to be one from the current LNER operational pool - if not perhaps one of the moves to Newport will have the GCRE loco detached just before reaching the scrap yard.

The idea of 91s being acquired to join the 360/2s was raised in a recent Railway Gazette article but as far as I’m aware none have actually been acquired as of yet.

 

[Spartacus]

The idea of 91s being acquired to join the 360/2s was raised in a recent Railway Gazette article but as far as I’m aware none have actually been acquired as of yet.

Pity they couldn't replace the 360/1s instead!

 

[E27007]

Out of curiosity, why is the headcode a 7? Do the 91s have gauging issues somewhere on their trip?

7 is the speed, the Q in the headcode is an instructrion to the signaller, the signaller does not have a discretion to alter the booked route, the train must follow the booked route and not deviate. It is often gauging issues which are the requirement for a Q headcode, others include those Brotish Transport Police trains (do they still operate) , the train traveling over specific routes to deal with trespassers and vandalism

A friend phoned me to say the last red-liveried 91 of operational status has entered the Works for a relivery, I think he said number 91107, is this correct?

 

[yorksrob]

A friend phoned me to say the last red-liveried 91 of operational status has entered the Works for a relivery, I think he said number 91107, is this correct?

I wonder if this means that the mk4 sets won't be scrapped without replacement ?

 

[DanNCL]

7 is the speed, the Q in the headcode is an instructrion to the signaller, the signaller does not have a discretion to alter the booked route, the train must follow the booked route and not deviate. It is often gauging issues which are the requirement for a Q headcode, others include those Brotish Transport Police trains (do they still operate) , the train traveling over specific routes to deal with trespassers and vandalism

A friend phoned me to say the last red-liveried 91 of operational status has entered the Works for a relivery, I think he said number 91107, is this correct?

In this particular case I believe it’s down to the 91s not being route cleared, instead travelling on a one off authorisation.

Both the last operational red loco (91107) and last operational red LNER Mark 4 set (NL12) went to Wabtec for repaint on Tuesday. Apart from the two spare vehicles, none of LNER’s operational fleet remains in VTEC red.

I wonder if this means that the mk4 sets won't be scrapped without replacement ?

We’ve only got to look at the 442s to see that a repaint doesn’t necessarily secure the long term future of a fleet!

 

[yorksrob]

In this particular case I believe it’s down to the 91s not being route cleared, instead travelling on a one off authorisation.

Both the last operational red loco (91107) and last operational red LNER Mark 4 set (NL12) went to Wabtec for repaint on Tuesday. Apart from the two spare vehicles, none of LNER’s operational fleet remains in VTEC red.


We’ve only got to look at the 442s to see that a repaint doesn’t necessarily secure the long term future of a fleet!

Indeed, but there might at least have been some justification for giving up on the 442's.

Ditching the remaining mk 4 sets would be abject lunacy.

 

[D6130]

Ditching the remaining mk 4 sets would be abject lunacy.

If the savings currently being demanded by the government are to be met, then I'm afraid 'abject lunacy' will be the order of the day.

 

[yorksrob]

If the savings currently being demanded by the government are to be met, then I'm afraid 'abject lunacy' will be the order of the day.

I think the lunatics have long since taken over the asylum in this country.

 

[TreacleMiller]

Painting order and contract signed before the decision to get rid of them.

That being said, training on them is continuing for now.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 0Z23 1150 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Belmont Down Yard | 02/02/2023

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37510

Realtime Trains | 7Q78 0840½ Belmont Down Yard to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 03/02/2023

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7Q78 37510 91112/115/125

 

[DanNCL]

7X78 37510 91112/115/125

Showing as 7Q78 for me. 91125 coupled directly to 37510, and 91112 at the rear of the consist. No barrier wagons. Nameplates still attached to 91115.

 

[Ewan M]

Showing as 7Q78 for me. 91125 coupled directly to 37510, and 91112 at the rear of the consist. No barrier wagons. Nameplates still attached to 91115.

The nameplates on 91115 should be removed at Newport before they tear the loco apart

 

[D7672]

Nameplates are carefully removed and sent back,officially off a sims contact