Lothiangem22
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Saw two “get there greener” eclipses at seafield earlier which presumably was these. They were parked right at the gate looking ready to drive out.
There were also 8 evoras parked in the yard too
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Saw two “get there greener” eclipses at seafield earlier which presumably was these. They were parked right at the gate looking ready to drive out.
There were also 8 evoras parked in the yard too
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Somewhere south of Dunbar!But which depot are they for?
Edit, I've 3 hours later realised your talking about the Evora's! Ignore!
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Weemidi135
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Technically not true they have been used on the 43s
Horsburgh’s get 15M tri axles through so an XLB should get through
Graham Alexand
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Out of interest is there any photos of them on the 43?
Siemens Trains
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I don't actually know what XLB means so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick, but are these the kind of photos you had in mind?
OmniCity999
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I believe it's along these lines...
It's an Enviro 400 XLB (Extra Long Wheelbase) Based off Enviro 400 panels and structuring - just longer
But ELW doesnt have the same ring...
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Siemens Trains
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Thanks - I suppose that makes some kind of sense.I believe it's along these lines...
It's an Enviro 400 XLB (Extra Long Wheelbase) Based off Enviro 400 panels and structuring - just longer
But ELW doesnt have the same ring...
Here's another sight I thought was a wee bit unusual while I had the camera to hand, but no idea what this bus is called either:
Weemidi135
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It was New Year’s Day so don’t think so
OmniCity999
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Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 2 Bodied B9TL
All our "XLB's" are ADL Enviro 400XLB bodied B8L's
(currently) 1063 - 1140
All of our "B7's" were Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini bodied B7TL's. (commonly called "Gemini 1's" but the official name is just Gemini)
Our B7's were 701 - 825 (20794-20800 inclusive)
201 - 215 are Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 Hybrids
221 - 250 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 3 bodied B5TL's (Open Toppers)
826 - 925 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini bodied Volvo B9TL's
301 - 400, 926 - 936, 20937 - 20950, 1001 - 1050 1141 - 1153 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 2 Bodied Volvo B9TL's
401 - 425 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 3 (Classic) bodied Volvo B5TL's
426 - 510 & 1051 - 1062 & 20001 - 20008 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 3 bodied Volvo B5TL's
551 - 590 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 3 (h) bodied Volvo B5LH's (Hybrids)
591 - 594 are Wright Bus (Eclipse) Gemini 2 (h) bodied Volvo B5LH's (Hybrids)
That covers pretty much all the deckers...
1 - 50 are Volvo 7900H integrals (cant be bothered going into specifics...)
10051 - 10065 are Wright Eclipse 3 bodied B8RLE's (these are longer wheelbases than "regular" B8RLE's)
167 - 190 & 10195 - 10199 are Wright Eclipse 2 Bodied Volvo B7RLE's
any vehicles left between 100-160 are Wright Bus Eclipse bodied Volvo B7RLE's
The incoming singles are MCV eVoRa bodied Volvo B8RLE's (these are longer wheelbases than "regular" B8RLE's)
Coach-wise
9001 - 9006 are Plaxton Panther 3 bodied Volvo B11Rt's
9007 - 9012 are Plaxton Panther 3 bodied Volvo B11R's
9201 - 9208 are Plaxton Leopard Interurban bodied Volvo B8R's
I'm sure ive missed something out, but this gives the general gist. I did have a fleet list running but i've been busy with work so this has fallen a bit behind.
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computerSaysNo
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I thought it stood for Extra Large BusI believe it's along these lines...
It's an Enviro 400 XLB (Extra Long Wheelbase) Based off Enviro 400 panels and structuring - just longer
But ELW doesnt have the same ring...
Graham Alexand
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Thank you.
Everything good, but it mentions that 591-594 are B6LH's and 1141-1153 are missing in the Gemini 2 section.
I don't have the insider knowledge to back it up, which I appreciate you do, but that seems a comprehensive list to me! Thanks for doing it!
Only thing I can think to add are the milk floats and the B9TL/Gemini 2 open toppers unless their omission is deliberate!
OmniCity999
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Apologies - fat fingers
They overlap the trams and their such a small fleet group i didn't bother, their also considered as temporary.
Shame as I’d love a shot of the milk floats. I did however get training on the XLB yesterday.
Are there any plans on what to do with those electrics? Imagine it's probably easier to just let them depreciate in a corner.
I'd say stick diesels in them and bid for the East Lothian marginal tendered routes when they come up but it's a lot of investment that might not pay off.
Probably best to swallow hard and say, that was a learning experience, move on!
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what type of routes in East Lothian are tendered? Like the 111? 120? & 129 (Defunct)
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Would they not be fairly suited to the 139 as is? Very short route and a short running day as well. Surely better than running full length B7RLE machines through Woodburn?
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Correction Volvo B9 ,S should be 826-925.
OmniCity999
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I was talking about the second hand B9TL open toppers (251-256) these overlap tram numbers so didnt include them in the list.
I havent mentioned the Wright StreetAirs and for good reason! They are still part of the company and will have a use in the future.
Again - fat fingers, apologies.
When LCB was set up and expanded, Lothian only had ageing single decks.
At the time, we had just bought 50 deckers second hand, which had just been extensively refurbished.
It's hard to get second hand Volvo singles en-masse, so instead of running end of life singles en-masse or buying out-with our type, deckers were used.
i never said they couldnt or wouldnt. It's just very unlikely that they will run on LCB services. The XLB's have run on the 43's on special occasions, Christmas, New years etc, but thats about it.
The XLB's are with LCB for a contract and they are to be used as such. Just like how LMC coaches arent running on services.
That being said, i dont sit and watch every single member of the fleet to see where they are at all times.
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I assumed those ones must be, especially with the fleet investments the operators thereof have, I can't see the routes generating that level of revenue - must be honest I've not looked into it.
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I suggested that in the past but I think the response was that there would be too much empty running if they were run from Central garage, and it would be too expensive to set up the chargers etc for them in Mussleburgh.
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This was posted in the New Scottish COVID-19 Restrictions thread but I've replied here as this thread is more appropriate given the question.
I'm sure I remember reading on the Lothian Bus Conditions of Travel page, something about a "continuation of journey" ticket, where if a pram/pushchair was travelling and a wheelchair needed to use the space on the vehicle, the pushchair would have to leave the bus but could be given said ticket which allowed them to board a later service of the same route number and direction, without having to pay again. Is this used, or could this be used/adapted, for the above situation (e.g. you are travelling on a bus which was quiet enough for social distancing when you got on, but then 40 schoolkids all get on and you can't socially distance any more)? It might help make some people more comfortable to travel if they knew they could do this if the bus got busy.
But then, if that bus is busy, is the next bus behind likely to be just as busy?
(...Or am I just misremembering something else I read on the Conditions of Travel page?
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Siemens Trains
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Thanks.
So the vehicle I photographed (375) is actually just the same as those normally used on the 43 route (926-936).
I must have thought it was different just because of the mechanical roller blinds at the front and the different paint colour. Looks like this is the most common type in the fleet with just short of 200 examples.
OmniCity999
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The same bodywork and chassis/engine/gearbox combination, different paint, fit out and destination equipment. Both 375 and the 926-936 batch will have, at one point, been a very similar spec.
375 will be getting modernised soon, the entire fleet is going through modernisation.
Buses 951-960 are also Gemini 2s
scotrail158713
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Nope, you’re right - see the link and quote below.(...Or am I just misremembering something else I read on the Conditions of Travel page?
I’d actually agree with you - it may be a good idea.
Conditions of Carriage - Lothian Buses
These Conditions apply from June 2024. Download a copy from our Policy Documents section. Interpretation In these Conditions of Carriage, the following expressions, unless the context requires otherwise, have the following meanings: The CompanyLothian Buses Limited, a limited company, registered...
www.lothianbuses.com
OmniCity999
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I knew there was atleast q batch I'd forgotten! It was just a generalisation to describe the fleet to someone, not to worry!
This list is accurate except for the withdrawn/sold B7RLES on there ;
bustimes.org