Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

[Graham Alexand]

Talking purely from a Winchburgh to Edinburgh service, this wouldn’t work. I think it just makes the 43 more complicated but having the 276 running up to South Queensferry may work, but has been tried and failed by First and others before.

I was thinking about an alternative route to Livingston to Winchburgh .

Yeah, that's why I was thinking a merge would be better so the Loganlea to Winchburgh portion could do well and the normal service 43 portion, if you get what I mean??

 

[Jordan Adam]

Why not merge one of them with service 43? 43 replaces 276 then the 276 would turn into service 43 Loganlea to Edinburgh.

That would be a disaster for punctuality. I highly doubt Lothian would put the 43 at risk like that.

 

[Graham Alexand]

That would be a disaster for punctuality. I highly doubt Lothian would put the 43 at risk like that.

True, it was to somehow include Winchburgh in the Lothian Country network, maybe in the near future Winchburgh will have one.

 

[computerSaysNo]

I've just seen what looked like a Lothian double-decker turn off the A90 onto Tofthill Farm (between Perth and Dundee); it looked like a B9 though, possibly a short-wheelbased one, rather than one of the withdrawn B7s. Anyone know what a B9 would be doing that far north of Edinburgh?
(I only saw it for a very short time so it could have been a B7 that I mistook for a B9)

 

[ScotRail158725]

I've just seen what looked like a Lothian double-decker turn off the A90 onto Tofthill Farm (between Perth and Dundee); it looked like a B9 though, possibly a short-wheelbased one, rather than one of the withdrawn B7s. Anyone know what a B9 would be doing that far north of Edinburgh?
(I only saw it for a very short time so it could have been a B7 that I mistook for a B9)

I saw 852 SN57DFD parked with a white First B7TL across the road from it from the train on Monday. It appears to be a farm bus now; the Ensign sales moves at next week will clarify that it has gone to a farm up there.

 

[computerSaysNo]

I saw 852 SN57DFD parked with a white First B7TL across the road from it from the train on Monday. It appears to be a farm bus now; the Ensign sales moves at next week will clarify that it has gone to a farm up there.

Ah okay, I hadn't realised that the 57 plates had been formally withdrawn, thanks.

 

[kez19]

Might be a bit off topic but seen on Flickr Go North East are now using some of the former Lothians in service

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Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini Go North East

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Go North East 9061 / SN57 DFY

- Fleet: 9061 - Reg: SN57 DFY - Operator: Go North East - Route: NIS - Depot: Consett - Livery: Lothian Buses - Type: Volvo B9TL - Bodywork: Wright Eclipse Gemini - Livery New In: Lothian Buses - New to/ Year: Lothian Buses / 2007 - Location: Hownsgill Park, Consett

www.flickr.com

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Ah okay, I hadn't realised that the 57 plates had been formally withdrawn, thanks.

They haven’t all been withdrawn. Ex Lothian Motorcoaches 841-843 remain in use with Lothiancountry. Also ex Lothian Motorcoaches 844-850 remain in use with EastCoastbuses and 874-875 remain in use with Lothian at Central.

 

[Bus9120UK]

They haven’t all been withdrawn. Ex Lothian Motorcoaches 841-843 remain in use with Lothiancountry. Also ex Lothian Motorcoaches 844-850 remain in use with EastCoastbuses and 874-875 remain in use with Lothian at Central.

841-843 have been spotted at Marine, I've read they are possibly moving to East Coast.

 

[Omnibi]

There’s a new vaccine centre at the former RBS building in Redheughs Avenue now, so either the 275 or 276 could serve that and terminate at Edinburgh Park Station as the 275 did before, not sure how long it’s been open but possibly worthwhile. The other route in my view would be better not serving East Mains but running direct up to Winchburgh, Kirkliston and in the long run onto the Airport (although that would take quite some time before it’d be worthwhile) OR South Queensferry - but that’s been tried quite a few times already and hasn’t worked so it probably isn’t the one to go for. Both routes could serve Pumpherston to maintain links - although I’m not sure it needs 4 per hour each way.

Whatever (if anything) changes I’m sure it’ll be changed again. The 276 change makes sense for the short term, I’m not necessarily sure once hopefully things change it will be running beyond Loganlea again.


For those wondering why the X38 was withdrawn and the existing routes kept/altered ahead of it I wonder if dead mileage with buses and driver changeovers had something to do with it? I imagine vans were used much like the ECB X7? The closest point on the route from the depot looks to have been around around 6-7 miles away but it may have been the terminus in Linlithgow Bridge that was the changeover point, I never used the route that far out so I’m not entirely sure how the system worked so may not be 100% bang on.

The changeover point for Lothian Country X38 was Bridgend.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

841-843 have been spotted at Marine, I've read they are possibly moving to East Coast.

If true then it’ll probably be stickers in my view, no chance of a repaint.

 

[computerSaysNo]

They haven’t all been withdrawn. Ex Lothian Motorcoaches 841-843 remain in use with Lothiancountry. Also ex Lothian Motorcoaches 844-850 remain in use with EastCoastbuses and 874-875 remain in use with Lothian at Central.

Yes, sorry, been very busy recently and obviously didn't take enough time to think about/reread my comment before I posted.
My comment should have been "I didn't realize that some of the 57 plates had been withdrawn and sold already".

 

[Graham Alexand]

841-843 have been spotted at Marine, I've read they are possibly moving to East Coast.

Maybe they're there for Euro 6 upgrades?

 

[Bus9120UK]

Maybe they're there for Euro 6 upgrades?

I would think they already are Euro 6

 

[Graham Alexand]

I would think they already are Euro 6

Ahh right, if they are for withdrawal it would explain the Lothian 13plate Eclipse 2's coming in.

 

[Jordan Adam]

I would think they already are Euro 6

They're not. B9TLs with the Eminox Euro6 conversions have twin exhausts.

 

[CN04NRJ]

Ahh right, if they are for withdrawal it would explain the Lothian 13plate Eclipse 2's coming in.

Why would they be for withdrawal?

They're not. B9TLs with the Eminox Euro6 conversions have twin exhausts.

All the other B9TLs upgraded to euro 6 (351-400 1000-1050) don't have twin exhausts?

 

[Graham Alexand]

Why would they be for withdrawal?

I meant from Lothian Country, I think a better word I should of used was transferred .

 

[317 forever]

Might be a bit off topic but seen on Flickr Go North East are now using some of the former Lothians in service

Go North East | 9060

Explore VDyLan's 3684 photos on Flickr!

www.flickr.com

Go North East - 9058 - SN57DFU - GoNE20210676GoNorthEast

Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini Go North East

www.flickr.com

Go North East 9061 / SN57 DFY

- Fleet: 9061 - Reg: SN57 DFY - Operator: Go North East - Route: NIS - Depot: Consett - Livery: Lothian Buses - Type: Volvo B9TL - Bodywork: Wright Eclipse Gemini - Livery New In: Lothian Buses - New to/ Year: Lothian Buses / 2007 - Location: Hownsgill Park, Consett

www.flickr.com

As I'm having a holiday in Newcastle in July with a daytrip from there to Edinburgh, I could potentially ride such buses in both cities that week.

 

[90019]

They're not. B9TLs with the Eminox Euro6 conversions have twin exhausts.

They still have a single exhaust, but it points straight out rather than being angled down.


841-850 do have the Euro 6 exhausts fitted.

 

[Graham Alexand]

Could 841 - 843 just have logos changed or do they have to be repainted if they are transferred to East Coast Buses?

It appears that all of them are now at East Coast Buses but still appear on the Lothian Country fleet list.

Information about images below.

Image 1 shows 841 on service 125.
Image 2 shows 842 on service 126.
Image 3 shows 843 on service 127.

 

[Graeme Duncan]

According to a Lothian bus tracker Volvo B9TL'S 874-879 Currently operating from Central have not been out since Friday 23rd April . I was wondering if this was their last day of service.
Also 880-883 for that matter.

 

[MotCO]

Apologies if it has been asked before, what what is happening to the coaches which were used on the EX2?

 

[Bus9120UK]

Apologies if it has been asked before, what what is happening to the coaches which were used on the EX2?

Now with Lothian Motorcoaches, seen on Rail Replacement lately

 

[221129]

Seen on TPE runs to Carlisle yesterday.

 

[Graham Alexand]

I'm unsure if this is on topic but, I don't know if theres been an error on bustimes.org but as seen on the image below the 43 is terminating at "Three Brgs Tour".

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

I'm unsure if this is on topic but, I don't know if theres been an error on bustimes.org but as seen on the image below the 43 is terminating at "Three Brgs Tour".
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It's an issue with the TfE data, it is also affecting their app (and Traveline too). I noticed someone alerted them on Twitter this afternoon so I'd expect it to be fixed soon.

 

[CN04NRJ]

Saw this evening when doing a 30 one (possibly more) of 841-843 down at ECB in Musselburgh. Still in full LCB livery.

 

[Bus9120UK]

Saw this evening when doing a 30 one (possibly more) of 841-843 down at ECB in Musselburgh. Still in full LCB livery.

Yep, were on school services across the day. Did they even have the LCB logos?

 

[CN04NRJ]

Yep, were on school services across the day. Did they even have the LCB logos?

Must have missed that post when scrolling - yes, full LCB logos were visible.

According to a Lothian bus tracker Volvo B9TL'S 874-879 Currently operating from Central have not been out since Friday 23rd April . I was wondering if this was their last day of service.
Also 880-883 for that matter.

Just surmising, that's exactly 10 vehicles so perhaps 10 new ones coming out shortly?