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Is there something going on in Edinburgh today which is affecting the buses? I'm looking at the live times in the Old Town; for the 35 heading towards Ocean there's a gap of 51 minutes between buses (bus 564, currently at Easter Road, then nothing until bus 497, currently at Sighthill)? And the 33 towards Millerhill, there's a gap of 61 minutes between buses (bus 1153 currently at East Preston Street, then nothing until bus 1148 which is currently at Longstone but still heading towards Wester Hailes)?
 

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Reading suggestions that 591-594 have been withdrawn, although cannot find a suitable source to confirm this. Anyone here able to confirm or deny this?

Is there something going on in Edinburgh today which is affecting the buses?
Well, the most likely situation is that buses have been taken off due to the driver shortage. There may be a bus or two not tracking as intended sometimes but I don't believe that has been the case today.
 

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That's what I considered but I hadn't thought it was so bad as to leave routes with hour-long gaps in the service.
It's certainly poor. The 276 & 280 in recent times both have had missing buses for hours, as high as 4. It's clear their withdrawal is of nessecity to keep LC in a stable position. A few months ago there was only 1 bus on the 25 for a while.
 

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Is there something going on in Edinburgh today which is affecting the buses? I'm looking at the live times in the Old Town; for the 35 heading towards Ocean there's a gap of 51 minutes between buses (bus 564, currently at Easter Road, then nothing until bus 497, currently at Sighthill)? And the 33 towards Millerhill, there's a gap of 61 minutes between buses (bus 1153 currently at East Preston Street, then nothing until bus 1148 which is currently at Longstone but still heading towards Wester Hailes)?
There was a tenement fire in Great Junction Street in the early hours that shut the road, which has no doubt caused chaos all day. Also, a police incident near Cameron toll this morning. I'm guessing that may explain the 33 delays. There is another police incident just now in St Mary Street which would probably cause a knock on effect to the 35 in the High Street.
 
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Now that there are a few more of them on the road I have to say that I do not like the fact that Lothian Country buses are now the same livery as East Coast. If you can't see the number or destination blinds then it's easy to get confused thinking you are looking at an EC bus when it turns out to be an LC one. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but for now I find it a minor annoyance.
 

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Now that there are a few more of them on the road I have to say that I do not like the fact that Lothian Country buses are now the same livery as East Coast. If you can't see the number or destination blinds then it's easy to get confused thinking you are looking at an EC bus when it turns out to be an LC one. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but for now I find it a minor annoyance.
It’s the same with a Lothian route; they are all the same livery but lots of different routes. You’ll get used to it eventually.

I can never notice much of a difference from a distance looking at a green and cream or green and white bus but green and grey are more noticeable.
 
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Now that there are a few more of them on the road I have to say that I do not like the fact that Lothian Country buses are now the same livery as East Coast. If you can't see the number or destination blinds then it's easy to get confused thinking you are looking at an EC bus when it turns out to be an LC one. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but for now I find it a minor annoyance.
Funny you should say that - with me it's even worse as they look so similar to Lothian City buses.
Is the shade of green now used for the new livery (matching the East Coast Buses) just the same as the previous green on Lothian Country? I'm slightly colour blind however I instantly recognise the Fleetline in your profile picture as properly green. But I really struggle with the new Lothian Country green where I wasn't conscious of needing to look carefully before, and often confuse these buses with Lothian City vehicles. Maybe it's because there's so much white paint and previously I'd relied on the cream colour to distinguish them.
I'm not complaining as the service numbers are good enough for me, but it's just a little unsettling that for the first time ever I have to concentrate quite hard to see a difference between green and red coloured buses.
 
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No. The new green is darker.
Thanks. As I say, there are bigger things to worry about these days but I wonder why they chose that darker shade. I doubt I'm the only person who now can't easily tell the difference between City, Country and East Coast. I'm usually OK with distinguishing green buses from red ones but these seem very similar to me.
 

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Changes to X services and frequency changes still happening on Monday 20th November? Can only see 31 / X31 info on their website.
 

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Changes to X services and frequency changes still happening on Monday 20th November? Can only see 31 / X31 info on their website.
With nothing published by Lothian themselves, I do think this is just an error in the online timetabling at this point.

1049 going away for repaint today, she is currently at Newcraighall Junction.
1045 is now heading away too. 577 may have returned earlier but it's unknown if it certainly did
 
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They must be wanting the repaints finished quickly so that they can no longer be associated with green and cream.

Once the whole of the Lothiancountry and the EastCoastbuses fleet are done there isn’t much left in the old livery at Lothian either. I guess they will just repaint ones that are needing freshened up and remove the gold sticker on the body which they no longer do anymore.
 

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They must be wanting the repaints finished quickly so that they can no longer be associated with green and cream.

Once the whole of the Lothiancountry and the EastCoastbuses fleet are done there isn’t much left in the old livery at Lothian either. I guess they will just repaint ones that are needing freshened up and remove the gold sticker on the body which they no longer do anymore.
It’s set up for the two companies to merge eventually I think.

There are now no Lothian swoops liveried vehicles left in service at the minute. 926-927 are VOR at Marine, and possibly withdrawn too. 562 was the last and it’s now wearing the Poppy wrap.

VOR - Vehicle off Road
 

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It’s set up for the two companies to merge eventually I think.

There are now no Lothian swoops liveried vehicles left in service at the minute. 926-927 are VOR at Marine, and possibly withdrawn too. 562 was the last and it’s now wearing the Poppy wrap.

VOR - Vehicle off Road
I think that it would make sense to merge them both and keep the Lothiancountry name it sounds better (in my opinion).
 

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With nothing published by Lothian themselves, I do think this is just an error in the online timetabling at this point.
Published now: https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2022/11/leith-walk-diversions/

From Sunday 20 November, there will be minor timetable changes and temporary route diversions on some services due to ongoing Trams to Newhaven works in the Picardy Place/Leith Walk area.

Further changes will take place when Leith Walk fully reopens in December.

Services 1, 4 and 5 have returned to serving Leith Street and London Road in both directions.

In the meantime, the following diversions will be in effect:
  • Services 7, 14, 16, N14, N16 and N22 will be subject to minor timetable changes to improve reliability.
  • Services 10 and 11 will continue to divert southbound, serving Leith Street. This is due to the City Centre West to East Link (CCWEL) active travel scheme works, and is expected to continue until spring of 2023.
  • Service 19 will return to Leith Street/London Road from Sunday 20 November.
  • Services 25 and 49 will operate via Leith Street/Easter Road (northbound) and Leith Walk/Leith Street (southbound) until further notice.
Timetable information is available below.
 

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They must be wanting the repaints finished quickly so that they can no longer be associated with green and cream.

Once the whole of the Lothiancountry and the EastCoastbuses fleet are done there isn’t much left in the old livery at Lothian either. I guess they will just repaint ones that are needing freshened up and remove the gold sticker on the body which they no longer do anymore.
There isn't anything left in the older livery, other than 562 and 565 which are wrapped.
 

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