They certainly aren't perfect - the doors on the Mk3s can prove to be too narrow for some larger chairs - but they certainly do have an accessible toilet and wheelchair spaces.
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LSL running (and WCR try to run) mainline 'extras' this week on behalf of Avanti West Coast
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Steddenm
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One of the southbound services just went through Milton Keynes and was advertised as a Charter Train on the CIS but the announcement said an "Avanti West Coast Additional Train service to London Euston".
It seemed quite heavily loaded as well which is a good sign with A4 cards in the window stating "Avanti West Coast Extra Capacity Train" (or words to that effect).
I'm going to Hemel so couldn't have got on it. Boo.
It seemed quite heavily loaded as well which is a good sign with A4 cards in the window stating "Avanti West Coast Extra Capacity Train" (or words to that effect).
I'm going to Hemel so couldn't have got on it. Boo.
Displayed on the platform monitors as "INTERCITY service (on behalf of Avanti West Coast)" and on the doors as "Avanti West Coast Capacity Train"
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kingqueen
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And the very steep ramps, special ramps for the narrow doors, etc. But I think accessible enough that I can use it, which is good.
Is this the same set as was (is?) used for the Friday Charters? I had very much wanted to travel on them but hadn't, because the InterCity website says:
Steddenm
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I'd be surprised if the stations have the ramps still available for the Mk3s as they are different to the 390 and 221 ramps.
Not sure if LSL carry ramps on board.
Also the comment from Avanti that there are three wheelchair spaces in the coach with the disabled loo seems a bit suspect, as when the Mk3s were in use with GA, I'm not sure if they did have three spaces available.
Not sure if LSL carry ramps on board.
Also the comment from Avanti that there are three wheelchair spaces in the coach with the disabled loo seems a bit suspect, as when the Mk3s were in use with GA, I'm not sure if they did have three spaces available.
kingqueen
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From what I understand, they certainly used to under GA, and I wouldn't think LSL would purposefully remove them, so hopefully!
According to the GA DPPP there were three wheelchair spaces in the accessible carriage, so I suspect this is correct. I agree it is unusual to have three wheelchair spaces in one carriage, though.
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I believe they do.
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The 12.40 Pendolino to Manchester is showing as cancelled so presumably the 12.33 today will be much busier.
miklcct
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I'm on board that train now and it's about half occupied.
The boards at Euston all show as "Charter".
I grabbed an itinerary on the LNER app on the 09:10 out of Manchester tomorrow, but the service is no longer in the system. Am I right in assuming it's been cancelled?
It looks like it's been retimed to 07:00, which I have no chance of making...
It looks like it's been retimed to 07:00, which I have no chance of making...
Alex365Dash
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And the 12:33 today was fairly well loaded out of Euston!
kingqueen
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Great news, thank you.
One wonders whether I could have been traveling on the Friday Charters. The LSL website and accessible travel plan both say that there is no wheelchair access to any of their trains.
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I haven't checked, but does the Intercity website have anything?
AFAIK the ex-GA stock is the only stock they have that does indeed have an MIP area (and I believe an MIP toilet).
kingqueen
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It says there's no wheelchair access to their train. I'm wondering if this is incorrect!
Ta, yes that's my understanding too.
Some ex-LNER Mark 3 1st Class carriages had an apology for a wheelchair space, which one couldn't actually get into as the corridor was too narrow; and no accessible loo.
And XC HSTs have proper wheelchair accessible facilities in 1st Class.
But I'm not aware of any others, particularly in heritage mainline use.
Man_with_beard
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I think Avanti are taking the pish for claiming they are running "extra" trains for the Queens funeral when a lot of their Manchester to London trains have been cut. They are not extra trains just trains that SHOULD be running and its an even bigger p-take when pendolinos are being replaced with slower loco hauled carriages.
I have not read the details but that is exactly what some disability rights campaigners want to achieve.
I'm at Piccadilly now and 1621 shows as a charter. edit: this was corrected just after I posted!
Edit: Stockport boards just said "Charter train" and the train is now very busy; there was a big surge just after the 1612 departed. I wonder if it was really full and an announcement was made...
Can anyone confirm if there is a northbound service tomorrow evening please?
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kingqueen
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Yes. 1923 from Euston.
Thanks. But please do not try to get these additional services stopped; removing capacity helps no-one.
Edit: it's the history of past experiences/posts that concern me; but let's not go there on this thread.
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kingqueen
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You've evidently not read the thread...
Sorry to ask for clarification but I have read through the thread and am still a bit confused at what is running now. I am in London so suppose I am lucky in that I can get whatever train is still running and then try pick one up heading back again. Do we have a definitive list of what is running tonight and for the next few days? Apologies if I have missed it! Thanks.
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What's the current state of play for WCRC?
TrainTrackJack
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57012 took the Riveria MK2s to Carnforth today, and it has been said that WCRC operations begin tommorow with 86401 & 86259.
Filter by operators 'LS' and 'WR' on RealTimeTrains and you will see all the services. Every 1Zxx train will be an Avanti relief service - except for the "Friday charters" (1Z40/41), which are cancelled as the set is being used for the additional Avanti services instead.
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Thanks Jack!
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47848 and 86401 (still sleeper branded) did some ‘shake down’ runs today to Preston and back.
Rhysdabeast
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Friday 16/09
LSL - 90002 + 10416 11098 11068 11077 11091 10411 11076 11070 11075 82139
0900 MAN EUS
1233 EUS MAN
1621 MAN EUS
1923 EUS MAN
Saturday 17/09
LSL - 90002 + 10416 11098 11068 11077 11091 10411 11076 11070 11075 82139
0700 MAN EUS
1040 EUS MAN
1621 MAN EUS
1923 EUS MAN
WCRC
0815 LAN EUS - 86401 + 9526 6051 5961 6158 6067 6054 1212 3340 3314 3397 3333
1751 EUS LAN - 86259 + 3333 3397 3314 3340 1212 6054 6067 6158 5961 6051 9526
Sunday 18/09
LSL 90002 + 10416 11098 11068 11077 11091 10411 11076 11070 11075 82139
0910 MAN EUS
1250 EUS MAN
1602 MAN EUS
1900 EUS MAN
WCRC
1022 LAN EUS - 86259 + 9526 6051 5961 6158 6067 6054 1212 3340 3314 3397 3333
1751 EUS LAN - 86401 + 3333 3397 3314 3340 1212 6054 6067 6158 5961 6051 9526
Monday 19/09
LSL - 90002 + 10416 11098 11068 11077 11091 10411 11076 11070 11075 82139
0900 MAN EUS
1233 EUS MAN
1621 MAN EUS
1923 EUS MAN
WCRC
0815 LAN EUS - 86401 + 9526 6051 5961 6158 6067 6054 1212 3340 3314 3397 3333
1736 EUS LAN - 86401 + 3333 3397 3314 3340 1212 6054 6067 6158 5961 6051 9526 + 86259 (86259 off at Rugby)
Tuesday 20/09
LSL - 90002 + 10416 11098 11068 11077 11091 10411 11076 11070 11075 82139
0900 MAN EUS
1233 EUS MAN
1621 MAN EUS
1923 EUS MAN
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mangyiscute
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Are the WCRC services being well used because they seem to be taking a lot longer than the normal services, like if you're taking the 1936 from London to Preston, you can wait for the 2030 and arrive into Preston at 2303 or take the 2110 and still arrive earlier at 2355
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