Whistler40145
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I've posted a comment on the Northern Facebook site asking them if they will consider doing a cab ride video recording of one of the first trips of the new electrics in daylight from Liverpool to Manchester Airport as a keepsake. It will compliment this existing video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiRWuV92qY which shows the route prior to electrification and which itself has had over 60,000 views. Will be interesting to see what their response is!
You don't have to use expensive equipment as this view of a cab ride in Switzerland that I took on my phone shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9-LXdeIM4.
You don't have to use expensive equipment as this view of a cab ride in Switzerland that I took on my phone shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9-LXdeIM4.
Thanks for that. I've never been on the line and it helped me get all the locations and their problems in perspective.
I assume that the run was in a 150 because the acceleration was pretty tame. The 319s should perform much better, particularly once they get above about 40mph. The line is mostly straight with mild curves so I imagine that the linespeed could be 90/100mph for the section between Eccles and Huyton with checks at Newton le Willows and maybe Earlstown. Apart from the closest stations (Roby/Huyton and N le W/Earlstown) the 319s should be able to improve on the current time of the stoppers, maybe releasing the odd path between the fasts if passenger growth occurs.
I was implying what it should/could be. No chance of a 150 breaking the current speed limit then, but a 319 could.
Steps up to Huyton Station entrance.
These steps have been in place for months but for most of that time they have been cordoned off. They've been open again since Monday but were again blocked off this afternoon.
I, and others on here, have wondered why and, today, I discovered the reason.
There's nothing wrong with the steps. An orangeman told me they're waiting for a lampost to be erected to illuminate them, presumably to mitigate any claims etc.
Dixie; great idea to film the first trip.
These steps have been in place for months but for most of that time they have been cordoned off. They've been open again since Monday but were again blocked off this afternoon.
I, and others on here, have wondered why and, today, I discovered the reason.
There's nothing wrong with the steps. An orangeman told me they're waiting for a lampost to be erected to illuminate them, presumably to mitigate any claims etc.
Dixie; great idea to film the first trip.
LDECRexile
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Steps: aha, good find, thanks. I wonder whose job it is to erect the light?
Cabride film: fab idea.
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I've been on a car jaunt today:
1. Ince Moss Chord (aka Bamfurlong Branch) is wired from the Ince Moss end to approx 100 yards short of Bamfurlong Sidings Junction.
2. Earlestown looks wired and ready to go.
3. No change at St Helens Junction, the earthworks are untouched since Monday
4. Roby Junction has fewer temporary fixings, a number of cylindrical tensioners have been attached to portals (including to a TGBU), but the wires haven't been attached to them yet.
5. Roby station, all looks ready for lift off except the wires under the bridge, the eastbound pair are on a temporary pulley and strap.
6. At Huyton station the portal at the eastern end now has some cylindrical tensioners attached, but the wires haven't been attached to them yet.
7. From Huyton station towards Huyton Junction
7.1 some temporary fixings have been replaced with permanent ones, but not all
7.2. The trees to the north of the tracks have been cut back (not cut down) to be well clear of the wires. (This has also happened at Earlestown near Sankey St bridge and near St Helens Junction.)
7.3 The 'incomplete' portal half way along the path to the south of the tracks (which looks as if it is intended to have another arm attached to the top) has sprouted a conventional registration arm pointing northwards. This now supports the eastbound wires.
8. At Huyton Junction itself the significant new wiring reported by DJH1971 appears to cover all tracks and all combinations, though it is very difficult to be certain from trackside. Wires extend up the Wigan Branch and are joined to those which have been in place for some time, ie just north of Longview Drive. The contact wire is missing over the northbound Wigan line, but catenary is in place, as are both contact and catenary southbound.
9. Orangemen all over the shop, eg erecting the same sort of palisade fencing 'detours' round new masts by Hey Road as have been erected along Bold Colliery tip site east of St Helens Junction.
Power on next Monday looks a tall order, but the whole show is looking more and more the business.
Photos and Progressometer later.
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Bevan Price
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It is already 90 mph most of the way from Astley to Roby Junction, with some local tsrs to 75 mph (e.g. underbridge at St. Helens Jn., etc.). Still 60 mph over Astley level crossing, and then 75 mph eastwards towards Eccles and the approach to Ordsall Lane Jn.
LDECRexile
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I've added to day's dollop in two parts:
I have added three St Helens Junction photos to the 3114 series as 3114l, g & f as they are additional data to show the position there.
I've added the rest in the usual way, most recent first, here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
I have added three St Helens Junction photos to the 3114 series as 3114l, g & f as they are additional data to show the position there.
I've added the rest in the usual way, most recent first, here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
PDG1949
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I guess it might have to be another 'rush' job ?
po8crg
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Doesn't it float on the Moss? I wouldn't fancy trying to sink piles through the Moss to get down to a solid foundation. That would be an expensive and lengthy exercise, and very unpredictable in therms of time and cost too. Might be cheaper and certainly more predictable to build a diversionary route. Which probably explains why no-one has touched this with a bargepole.
edwin_m
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The contractor would have NR over a barrel.
Ploughman
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The track top in 3114q looks decidedly ropey.
LDECRexile
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Progressometer updated below.
Please see the additional line at the very bottom, set on a yellow background.
Please also bear in mind the standard caveat, 'Fully wired 2013-5' means the kit looks that way to a lay observer who has no knowledge of what may lie unseen.
Please see the additional line at the very bottom, set on a yellow background.
Please also bear in mind the standard caveat, 'Fully wired 2013-5' means the kit looks that way to a lay observer who has no knowledge of what may lie unseen.
TheKnightWho
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I noticed that too. I think our perception of distance has been massively compressed by the high level of zoom.
LDECRexile
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Indeed, we've commented on this before in the context of track 4 near Roby.
The zoom will have been somewhere between 20x and 32x which hugely exaggerates and tightens the appearance of curves. In this case most of the curves are unintended. If you look at some of the shots eastwards along the tracks at Huyton Junction (eg 3134n) or from the car park at Manchester Victoria (eg 3058r) the 'official' curves look like those on my old faithful O Gauge tinplate train set, whereas in reality they are gentle.
Can any reader who has travelled the 3114q stretch at full tilt in a 185 please comment on ride quality?
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I suspect a telephoto lens has been used here as it exaggerates curvature in all directions.
LDECRexile
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I'm delighted that Phil Wieland has made the photos he recently posted on his wonderful nw-sparks site available to publish in the Combined Volume, which I have now done.
I have added them to Phil's album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157650238941151/
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
I've put them in their correct points in time, so there is one at Huyton station as 2980k and the remainder at Huyton Junction as 3014m to g.
Thank you Phil
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This has just dropped into my inbox:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.c...r+Feb+15+Week+2&dm_i=IJS,36KL7,INN6YI,BEEG6,1
I have added them to Phil's album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157650238941151/
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
I've put them in their correct points in time, so there is one at Huyton station as 2980k and the remainder at Huyton Junction as 3014m to g.
Thank you Phil
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This has just dropped into my inbox:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.c...r+Feb+15+Week+2&dm_i=IJS,36KL7,INN6YI,BEEG6,1
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PDG1949
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What an excellent video, Dixie - very steady for a camera phone. Also interesting to see their electrification infrastructure
childwallblues
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No plans for that.
Thanks PDG1949 - The phone was taped to the cab window using bits of foam rubber to get the angle correct!
Get day out for someone who loves Swiss electrics and mountains
Would be great if Northern actually do it, even better if they invited me along.
LDECRexile
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I'm delighted that Paul Gaskell has sent another couple of items for publication.
The first is a follow-up to the set 3052 Small Things to which he made the larger contribution recently. I have added his new shot as 3052e and entered it into Paul's album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157649792560381/
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157649792560381/
Paul is a St Helens man born and bred and asks why there's so much fuss over 319s, the borough has seen it all before, for example here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/21611052@N02/10998554943/
Thank you Paul.
The first is a follow-up to the set 3052 Small Things to which he made the larger contribution recently. I have added his new shot as 3052e and entered it into Paul's album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157649792560381/
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157649792560381/
Paul is a St Helens man born and bred and asks why there's so much fuss over 319s, the borough has seen it all before, for example here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/21611052@N02/10998554943/
Thank you Paul.
Ploughman
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If that is the stretch I travelled over a few months back then it definately is not due to Telephoto effect.
The coffee cup spill test will confirm that.
DJH1971
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Went into Manchester today, and still no wires at the platforms at Victoria,but the end at the very west of the station edge.
Whistler40145
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No doubt Network Rail will require a complete closure of Manchester Victoria for wiring to be completed.
Does anyone know when this work is likely to take place?
Does anyone know when this work is likely to take place?
po8crg
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They could probably keep the bay platforms open while the through platforms are worked on, as there's plenty of physical separation. Surprised they didn't go for this weekend, while the tram service was also closed.
Theres no trains out of the east end of Vic plus diversions and buses to Salford Crescent every Sunday during March so I guess they will be cracking on!
No trains to Vic in either direction from the 03/04/15 till the 07/04/15
No trains to Vic in either direction from the 03/04/15 till the 07/04/15
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LDECRexile
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Troubling, I wonder why they've taken the wire down between platforms 5 and 6, as shown in Photo 3058y taken on 6th Feb?
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