May 2021 Timetable Change

[Glenn1969]

I agree we should. When hospitality reopens in May we need at the very least a May 2020 level service also

 

[Watershed]

It is being replaced by stay local but only for 2 weeks I think

It is being replaced by 'stay within the common travel area (CTA)'.

 

[Bald Rick]

I agree we should. When hospitality reopens in May we need at the very least a May 2020 level service also

It will be higher than that. The service running now is higher than it was in May 2020, in fact it’s not far off the service level that ran last July/August.

 

[eastwestdivide]

It is being replaced by 'stay within the CTA'.

CTA as in UK+Ireland Common Travel Area?

 

[Dave91131]

CTA as in UK+Ireland Common Travel Area?

Yes I was a bit confused too, though I assume that is what is meant.

A quick Google of CTA brings up Chartered Tax Adviser as the first result!

 

[Glenn1969]

That just means don't go abroad. I know people from England can't go to Scotland or Wales but have no idea what counts as "local" in England

 

[Baxenden Bank]

That just means don't go abroad. I know people from England can't go to Scotland or Wales but have no idea what counts as "local" in England

'local' is whatever you want it to be - provided that you do not stay away overnight! Unfortunately it is also whatever the police (individually and as force policy) want it to be, which has been determined by some to be 'their force area', even if you live on the boundary.

 

[Ianno87]

That won't be the case from April 12th, and certainly not when the May timetable starts. If it's okay to mill aimlessly around in shops, or sit outside a pub, then it's okay to sit in a train. That's certainly what I'll be doing from that date.

But will there be enough people joining you to make it worth while for the TOC to run extra services, or are resources better deployed elsewhere....?

 

[berneyarms]

It is being replaced by 'stay within the CTA'.

Bear in mind that anyone wishing to travel from GB to Ireland is required to self-isolate for 14 days upon arrival in Ireland and have received a negative PCR test 72 hours before arriving into Ireland.
So perhaps I would rephrase it to within the UK?

 

[Bikeman78]

But will there be enough people joining you to make it worth while for the TOC to run extra services, or are resources better deployed elsewhere....?

That depends where I go. I'd expect local trains around London to pick up fairly rapidly. Equally I expect a lot of the half hourly trains to Cambridge to move fresh air around north of Harlow, if last summer is anything to go by. I'm sure a few people on this forum will be out and about to report back in the coming weeks.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Bear in mind that anyone wishing to travel from GB to Ireland is required to self-isolate for 14 days upon arrival in Ireland and have received a negative PCR test 72 hours before arriving into Ireland.
So perhaps I would rephrase it to within the UK?

But provided you meet/obey those requirements travel within the CTA is legal, travelling outside it isn’t.

 

[northernchris]

Well Northern have confirmed by email that they won't be removing their temporary timetables until the May timetable change. Even then this is only where this is possible in line with restrictions easing and government guidelines.

Leaving aside the fact that restrictions are easing from 29th March, I dread to think what when this is possible will mean, particularly after last year.

What with the strikes, last year's covid timetables which lasted well beyond lockdown and now, is this oprganisation actually there to run trains ?

That doesn't give much confidence they will return to a useable service in May either. It is somewhat ironic that the government has announced retailers will be able to stay open later in part to help spread the loads on public transport, whilst a government run operator will be running very little to accommodate late night shoppers and the staff who will be working later.

There will be some routes which will have a much reduced service (Leeds - Halifax goes from 4tph to 3tp2h off peak and Barnsley loses its 2 semi-fasts to Sheffield and Leeds, so I hope Northern have robust plans to ensure adequate capacity is provided during the core hours to cater for demand once retail and hospitality is permitted to reopen

 

[yorksrob]

That doesn't give much confidence they will return to a useable service in May either. It is somewhat ironic that the government has announced retailers will be able to stay open later in part to help spread the loads on public transport, whilst a government run operator will be running very little to accommodate late night shoppers and the staff who will be working later.

There will be some routes which will have a much reduced service (Leeds - Halifax goes from 4tph to 3tp2h off peak and Barnsley loses its 2 semi-fasts to Sheffield and Leeds, so I hope Northern have robust plans to ensure adequate capacity is provided during the core hours to cater for demand once retail and hospitality is permitted to reopen

Indeed.

I suppose with the Hallam, there's at least the option of lengthening the stopper.

 

[387star]

A super early GWR 0450 Fratton to Gloucester runs from the May timetable even calling Portchester.

 

[Kite159]

Having the train service not ending four hours early should limit some of the issues

If it's anything like Newcastle last summer, people will start drinking earlier in order to catch the last trains back home.
Some of the trains on the hourly Carlisle - Newcastle services were quite busy, even in non Covid times

 

[yorksrob]

If it's anything like Newcastle last summer, people will start drinking earlier in order to catch the last trains back home.
Some of the trains on the hourly Carlisle - Newcastle services were quite busy, even in non Covid times

I've only travelled that line a few times, and it does seem to be a faitly important artery for local people. Even last year between lockdowns it was one of the busier ones.

I think it's fair to say that ruining the timetable isn't an effective or appropriate way to deal with anti-social behaviour.

 

[LowLevel]

I've only travelled that line a few times, and it does seem to be a faitly important artery for local people. Even last year between lockdowns it was one of the busier ones.

I think it's fair to say that ruining the timetable isn't an effective or appropriate way to deal with anti-social behaviour.

BR used to do it regularly. There were various late night trains from Nottingham that got canned in the 90s because the cost of dealing with the misbehaviour of the passengers was more than the takings from running the service.

Whether it was effective or not who can say, the 2051 Nottingham to Boston on a Saturday has had an appalling reputation for years.

 

[yorksrob]

Whether it was effective or not who can say, the 2051 Nottingham to Boston on a Saturday has had an appalling reputation for years.

That stands as gold standard proof to me that the approach didn't work !

 

[bunnahabhain]

I think it's fair to say that ruining the timetable isn't an effective or appropriate way to deal with anti-social behaviour.

If there's no train it can't be trashed. The later to Grantham from Nottingham were culled for that reason. What's the point running a train when the repairs to it cost more than the farebox revenue?

 

[yorksrob]

If there's no train it can't be trashed. The later to Grantham from Nottingham were culled for that reason. What's the point running a train when the repairs to it cost more than the farebox revenue?

As @LowLevel points out, you just end up moving the issue to an earlier train. Having a couple of travel safe officers turn up now and again would probably be more effective.

Anyhow, this is straying somewhat from the issue at hand.

 

[Mag_seven]

Just a reminder that this thread is for discussion of the May 2021 timetable change.

Thanks

 

[Deerfold]

There will be some routes which will have a much reduced service (Leeds - Halifax goes from 4tph to 3tp2h off peak).

Halifax does look to end up with a 37 minute gap in many hours, but with 3tph to Leeds.

 

[30907]

Halifax does look to end up with a 37 minute gap in many hours, but with 3tph to Leeds.

7 per 2 hours; I presume more trains have been added since northernchris posted.

 

[JRT]

7 per 2 hours; I presume more trains have been added since northernchris posted.

I think he meant 3 trains in some hours, 4 trains in the other hours.

 

[PHILIPE]

A super early GWR 0450 Fratton to Gloucester runs from the May timetable even calling Portchester.

Mentioned in Post #150 and a few posts on some discussion

 

[387star]

Mentioned in Post #150 and a few posts on some discussion

Thanks ...

Am I correct in thinking no pm GWR Saturday Brighton from may ? Looks like the morning Great Malvern which forms it doesn't run. Engineering work reasons I assume...
And on Sunday just one a day... The train which normally arrives at Brighton at around 1645 is diverted to Fratton? The previous 1449 arrival at Brighton takes its path departing Brighton 1746?

 

[northernchris]

I think he meant 3 trains in some hours, 4 trains in the other hours.

Sorry, I should have been clearer in my initial post, this is what I meant to say!

 

[IanXC]

There will be some routes which will have a much reduced service (Leeds - Halifax goes from 4tph to 3tp2h off peak and Barnsley loses its 2 semi-fasts to Sheffield and Leeds, so I hope Northern have robust plans to ensure adequate capacity is provided during the core hours to cater for demand once retail and hospitality is permitted to reopen

Only 1 tph is withdrawn at Barnsley.

 

[JRT]

That doesn't give much confidence they will return to a useable service in May either. It is somewhat ironic that the government has announced retailers will be able to stay open later in part to help spread the loads on public transport, whilst a government run operator will be running very little to accommodate late night shoppers and the staff who will be working later.

There will be some routes which will have a much reduced service (Leeds - Halifax goes from 4tph to 3tp2h off peak and Barnsley loses its 2 semi-fasts to Sheffield and Leeds, so I hope Northern have robust plans to ensure adequate capacity is provided during the core hours to cater for demand once retail and hospitality is permitted

Hull – Halifax reduced to 1tp2h

Nottingham – Leeds via Barnsley 1tph
Lincoln – Leeds via Barnsley CANCELLED

 

[flitwickbeds]

Still nothing from SWR except Island Line.

Wierd to see zero services from the UK's busiest railway station with just seven weeks to go!